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Live chat: All you need to know about GST

Why call it unified tax when Centre and State will be collecting GST? I am planning to buy a car. Will I pay more or less after GST comes to effect? Why is Tamil Nadu against GST while West Bengal is for it?

Your questions on the proposed Goods and Services Tax were answered by Pramod Banthia Partner Indirect Tax, PwC, Suresh Seshadri, Business Editor, The Hindu, and Special Correspondent TCA Sharad Raghavan.

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All you need to know about GST (08/10/2016)
4:52
The Hindu:
Welcome to The Hindu's live chat on GST.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 4:52 The Hindu
4:54
The Hindu:
Your questions on the proposed Goods and Services Tax will be answered by our panelists — Pramod Banthia, Suresh Seshadri and TCA Sharad Raghavan.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 4:54 The Hindu
5:04
suresh seshadri:
hi
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:04 suresh seshadri
5:04
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Good afternoon!
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:04 TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:05
The Hindu:
Welcome Suresh Seshadri and TCA Sharad Raghavan!
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:05 The Hindu
5:05
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Looking forward to a lively discussion on one of the biggest tax reforms the country will see!
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:05 TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:06
The Hindu:
Suresh Seshadri is our Business Editor and TCA Sharad Raghavan is our Business Correspondent.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:06 The Hindu
5:06
The Hindu:
Here is the first question for the day from a Twitter user. if its' one nation one tax then why there are terms like state gst, central gst and integrated GST?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:06 The Hindu
suresh seshadri:
an interesting and valid one to start with
suresh seshadri
suresh seshadri:
GST is one tax that will replace several central and state taxes...
suresh seshadri
5:12
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
The Centre and states currently receive their revenue from a variety of taxes. These have been collapsed into a single Central tax, the Central GST, and a single state tax, the State GST.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:12 TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:12
[ Comment From hari hari: ]
if tax rate is around 18% services will become dearer will result in more inflation
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:12 hari
5:13
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Yes, that is a reasonable inference. But goods will become cheaper because their current tax rate is higher than what GST is likely to be. In the short term, there will be a blip in inflation, but this will likely stabilise after a year.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:13 TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:14
[ Comment From Deepu Deepu: ]
how GST will benefit middle class?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:14 Deepu
suresh seshadri:
also Deepu, if the overall economy does well the middle class benefits a lot usually
suresh seshadri
5:14
[ Comment From Fan Fan: ]
It is to harmonise the tax structure at Center and state levels. It subsumes not just goods but also services. This is attempt to create a standard indirect tax rate, although with exemptions. The ultimate aim is to standardise and harmonise the indirect tax market. This may explain one nation one tax
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:14 Fan
5:16
The Hindu:
Pramod Banthia, Partner Indirect Tax, PwC is also here. Thanks for joining us Pramod.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:16 The Hindu
5:16
Pramod:
Good evening to all
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:16 Pramod
5:16
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
One of the ways the middle class will benefit is from the removal of the multitude of taxes they have to pay.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:16 TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:16
The Hindu:
Pramod Banthia is the Partner in the Tax and Regulatory practice in Bangalore and has over 19 years post qualification experience in Indirect Tax.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:16 The Hindu
5:16
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Good evening, Pramod.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:16 TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:17
[ Comment From Govind Govind: ]
I heard its not really one nation one tax. In the parliament one member was saying that it has 38 different taxes? Is that true?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:17 Govind
5:17
suresh seshadri:
Pramod would you like to comment please?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:17 suresh seshadri
5:18
The Hindu:
Veerappa Moily did mention that in Lok Sabha.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:18 The Hindu
5:19
Pramod:
There will be 3 different taxes - CGST and IGST will be levied by the central Government and SGST by the states
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:19 Pramod
5:19
Pramod:
CGST and SGCT will be levied simultaneously on local supply and IGST will be levied on inter state supply
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:19 Pramod
5:20
Pramod:
Each state will have its own law but will be standardize one
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:20 Pramod
5:21
[ Comment From PL PL: ]
What if any state fails to pass GST law?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:21 PL
The Hindu:
A minimum of 15 States should pass the Bill. Even if a State fails to pass it but others pass it, the Bill will reach the President for his assent.
The Hindu
5:21
Pramod:
There is no major deviation in the law to be adopted by each states and it will be based on the model GST law
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:21 Pramod
5:22
[ Comment From Chandra Chandra: ]
one of the point or aim of implementing GST is to have uniform price of goods across India. Applying IGST on inter state transport defers this??
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:22 Chandra
suresh seshadri:
no Chandra, the price won't vary...the CGST, SGST, and IGST is to help for the capture and distribution of revenue for the concerned governments and not meant to alter final price of goods
suresh seshadri
5:22
suresh seshadri:
Pramod could you help explain how the structure will capture parts of the tax based on final consumption...and how at each level the earlier tax paid can be taken as a credit
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:22 suresh seshadri
5:23
Pramod:
Interesting question indeed - In terms of the Constitution Amendment the states are bound to pass the law. Concerns if any will be cleared with consensus by the GST Council
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:23 Pramod
5:23
[ Comment From Jyothir Ghosh Jyothir Ghosh: ]
It is being said that now shopkeepers themselves will have an incentive to give the bills for the products sold and this would bring more white money into the economy.Could you please explain how?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:23 Jyothir Ghosh
5:24
[ Comment From Sharath Sharath: ]
Does this mean businesses in the service industry like ours which is a coaching institute would not have to pay professional tax?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:24 Sharath
5:25
Pramod:
Professional tax is independent of GST and it is not intended to be subsumed. Hence Professional Tax will be outside the GST and will continued to be levied
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:25 Pramod
5:25
[ Comment From Smit Smit: ]
I have recently bought a flat that is under construction. Will GST impact its cost?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:25 Smit
5:27
[ Comment From Satish Satish: ]
What will be impact of GST on real estate like Service Tax?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:27 Satish
5:27
[ Comment From Ranu Ranu: ]
There was new that it impact under construction apartments. We already paid the service tax.. does it mean that we have pay GST once again ?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:27 Ranu
5:27
suresh seshadri:
Jyothir: the tax gets passed on to the final buyer and the retailer benefits only if she/he shows both ends of the tax transaction -- what was paid earlier to the wholesaler/stockist/company and and what was paid by customer..to that extent the tax trail becomes transparent and benefits all
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:27 suresh seshadri
5:28
Pramod:
It depends on the final GST rate on construction activities. In case there is a difference in the tax rate and the same is passed on to the consumers it will have an impact - positive or negative - it depends
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:28 Pramod
5:28
Pramod:
Service tax levied on construction activities will be subsumed in GST
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:28 Pramod
5:28
[ Comment From PK PK: ]
How is the Centre-State division made in collection of taxes?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:28 PK
5:30
suresh seshadri:
Pramod..you want to have a go replying to PK please?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:30 suresh seshadri
5:30
Pramod:
States will get the revenue with respect to the goods or services consumed therein and the distribution will be done by the backend system
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:30 Pramod
5:31
[ Comment From Kishan Kishan: ]
Wanted to understand how there will be increase in inflation for short term after the introduction of GST
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:31 Kishan
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
As Suresh said, this will depend on the final rates the GST council decides on. But, it is likely that the rate will be higher than the current service tax rate. And so services, which for a large part of our GDP, will become more expensive. This will push up inflation in the short term. But first, the final rates have to be made clear.
TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:31
Pramod:
The supplier of goods or services will make the payment through one stop digital portal
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:31 Pramod
5:31
suresh seshadri:
Kishan, this will very much hinge on the final rates the GST council decides on
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:31 suresh seshadri
5:32
[ Comment From Ashwin Ashwin: ]
whats the benefit of the final consumer ?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:32 Ashwin
5:32
[ Comment From A. Chandra A. Chandra: ]
What is the impact of GST on manufacturing and consuming States.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:32 A. Chandra
5:33
suresh seshadri:
if the net tax rate on a large majority of goods and services ends up being effectively higher than the level at which they are currently taxed (this will depend on the Revenue Neutral Rate the GST council agrees on) than it will have an inflationary impact
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:33 suresh seshadri
5:33
Pramod:
And also the intention to trim the list of goods and services that are currently either exempted from tax or subject to concessional rates. In case these are made subjected to GST the prices of goods and services will go up and will affect the inflation
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:33 Pramod
5:33
[ Comment From Prasanna Sundaresan Prasanna Sundaresan: ]
There is a fear that manufacturing states will be unfairly punished and some job losses should be expected. How will this affect the job market in these manufacturing state?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:33 Prasanna Sundaresan
5:34
[ Comment From Raja Raja: ]
I keep hearing that GST will over ride all other taxes. In the last few years we have been burden with so many taxes. The middle class or the IT payers are the most affected as we had to bear both income and expense taxes. Will this new GST give us benefit in our income tax as i see that the governments is more keen on developing a Expense based tax system
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:34 Raja
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
GST subsumes indirect taxes. Income tax is a direct tax and so will not be affected by GST.
TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:34
[ Comment From Guest Guest: ]
Is GST good for large countries with huge population, the same is not the case with all rich countries except Canada why?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:34 Guest
5:35
Pramod:
Consumers of goods will benefit due to lowering of overall tax rate and certain business restructuring that brings down the cost of doing business. However, the consumers of services will have to pay little more due to increase in the tax rate
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:35 Pramod
5:35
suresh seshadri:
Raja, GST is an InDirect Tax..while Income Tax is a direct tax...the 2 are distinctly different
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:35 suresh seshadri
5:36
[ Comment From Thomas Thomas: ]
What does the RNR (18%) mean. That when I purchase a soap, a TV, a Car, I pay 18 % tax
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:36 Thomas
5:36
[ Comment From sushil kumar sushil kumar: ]
Plz publish this question answer session after is over.... it seems to have a lot of relevant questions
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:36 sushil kumar
The Hindu:
The transcript will be available soon after the chat is over.
The Hindu
5:37
[ Comment From Gnanasekaran Gnanasekaran: ]
How GST is calculated compare VAT any example
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:37 Gnanasekaran
5:37
Pramod:
Indirect tax or GST is regressive tax in a country like India. It impact every one - rich or poor - equally. hence the idea id to keep the indirect tax rate low and garner revenue from direct tax which would be in proportion to the income earned
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:37 Pramod
5:37
[ Comment From Sai Sai: ]
Is GST good for this size country and huge population with huge diversity. The same is not true with many rich countries except Canada? What is the guarantee that center will not do a which hunt to states, this seems to benefit only National parties like BJP and Congress
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:37 Sai
5:39
Pramod:
RNR is the rate of tax which if levied on the goods and services will not have any positive or negative impact on the state and the central government
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:39 Pramod
5:39
[ Comment From K.Praveen Kumar Reddy K.Praveen Kumar Reddy: ]
If there is a universal tax rate don't you think there will be lot of added pressure on economic zones/corridors for manufacturing hubs and investors would want to stay close to markets. That would mean logistics will take a heavy toll and there would be a chance that geographical spaces like north east or mountainous regions be neglected completely.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:39 K.Praveen Kumar Reddy
5:39
[ Comment From pradeep pradeep: ]
so individual states will lose their right in a federal system to raise their indirect taxes?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:39 pradeep
5:39
suresh seshadri:
the long term benefits of GST will ultimately depend on several factors including the rates that the GST council settles on, how well the GSTN administers it and ensures that the states and all stakeholders participate in it...how well and quickly disputes that may arise are resolved and so on
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:39 suresh seshadri
5:39
[ Comment From james james: ]
which department will collect this tax?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:39 james
suresh seshadri:
the state and central tax authorities will likely monitor the tax..which will be administered and paid by all taxpayers using the GSTN or GST Network - an IT backbone that will administer the tax online
suresh seshadri
5:39
[ Comment From hari hari: ]
what about GST council composition?union or states who will have more powers?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:39 hari
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Decisions will be made by three-fourths majority of votes cast; Centre shall have a third of votes cast, states shall together have two-thirds
TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:40
[ Comment From Vivek Vivek: ]
I am planning to buy a new car next month am i eligible for the tax reduction as per the new bill?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:40 Vivek
The Hindu:
It is unlikely that you will get a tax reduction by next month because the GST is expected to be rolled out only next year. Post-GST regime, you'll be paying lesser tax.
The Hindu
5:41
Pramod:
RNR is just a benchmark. In India, the proposal is to have multiple rate structure - nominal rate of around 2% on jewellery etc. lower rate of 12% applicable on essential products, higher rate on demerit goods. Standard rate of around 18% will be levied on majority of goods
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:41 Pramod
5:42
[ Comment From Sudhir Sudhir: ]
Why did Tamil Nadu oppose GST? How will GST impact Tamil Nadu reforms?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:42 Sudhir
suresh seshadri:
because TN Govt felt it impacts the federal structure and the states' right to levy taxes
suresh seshadri
5:42
Pramod:
No. GST is not yet implemented. Only Constitution of India has been amended to enable implementation of GST in India. The new law will be implemented sometime in 2017
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:42 Pramod
5:43
[ Comment From Balan Balan: ]
There are some Luxury goods/services (gold, SUV, entertainment etc) which are taxed higher than others so, does it mean that Luxury goods will be taxed at par with goods/ services of basic need?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:43 Balan
suresh seshadri:
unlikely..they will be taxed at a higher rate by most indiacations
suresh seshadri
5:43
[ Comment From Avanti Avanti: ]
is GST applicable to electricity and if yes then it will come under what goods or services?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:43 Avanti
5:43
Pramod:
TN is opposing because it feels that the fiscal autonomy to levy and collect tax is getting diluted.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:43 Pramod
5:44
suresh seshadri:
thanks all..keep the questions coming ..Pramod and SHarad will try and answer as many as possible..I need to leave at this point..thanks a lot for the enthusiastic participation and patience
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:44 suresh seshadri
5:44
Pramod:
Electricity will be outside the GST to start with. But eventually, it will be brought under the GST
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:44 Pramod
5:45
The Hindu:
Thank you Suresh for your valuable inputs. The session will continue with Pramod and Sharad.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:45 The Hindu
5:45
[ Comment From sumit sumit: ]
Usually while paying money to builder consumer have to have to cut 1% TDS, will that tax become part of GST?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:45 sumit
5:46
[ Comment From Santosh K Santosh K: ]
Which states would be more benefited in future. Goods producing states (like Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra) or Consuming states(U.P., West Bengal)?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:46 Santosh K
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
The consuming states will benefit more since GST is a consumption tax. But all benefits will even out a few years into implementation.
TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:46
Pramod:
No because the TDS provisions in coming from direct taxes
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:46 Pramod
5:47
[ Comment From zafar abbas zafar abbas: ]
Will entertainement tax come under GST or it will be charged seperately ?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:47 zafar abbas
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Entertainment tax (other than the tax levied by the local bodies) will be subsumed by GST.
TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:47
[ Comment From Darel Davis Darel Davis: ]
what are the taxes which are excluded from the ambit of GST and what is the reason behind this exclusion?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:47 Darel Davis
5:48
Pramod:
Obviously, the consuming states. This has been understood well by states like West Bengal, Bihar, Karnataka, Delhi, etc and hence these states are pitching for GST
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:48 Pramod
5:48
[ Comment From Sagar Aleem Sagar Aleem: ]
How GST is different from VAT?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:48 Sagar Aleem
5:49
Pramod:
Basic customs duty is excluded. Also, alcohol products are outside the GST. Petroleum products are included in GST but will be subject to zero rated for couple of years. In other words, States will continue to levy sales tax on petroleum products
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:49 Pramod
5:50
[ Comment From Pankaj Kumar Pankaj Kumar: ]
Is it applicable for one road tax in India for vehicle/bikes instead of paying tax in every state for taking vehicle/bike to other state ?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:50 Pankaj Kumar
5:51
Pramod:
In several country GST and VAT are used interchangeable. In India VAT is levied on goods alone. GST will be levied on both goods and services
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:51 Pramod
5:51
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Pramod, could you also explain how service tax will be treated? The FM in Parliament had said that earlier states could not levy service tax, but they will be able to once GST comes. Could you provide clarity on this?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:51 TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:52
[ Comment From Anonymous Anonymous: ]
GST: 1 India 1 Tax? Will it be true for hilly regions too? where they charge extra than other states?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:52 Anonymous
5:53
Pramod:
Yes Sharad. The Constitution allows Central Government to levy service tax on services. With the recent amendment in the Constitution, both Centre and State will be able to levy GST on services at the same time
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:53 Pramod
5:53
[ Comment From Faheem Faheem: ]
What is the difference in the GST of UPA and NDA
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:53 Faheem
5:54
[ Comment From Nitish Nitish: ]
Sirs, Can u please elaborate on the implications of private players holding 51% equity in GSTN which will manage the country's tax system ?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:54 Nitish
5:54
Pramod:
Yes the intent is keep the GST rate qua specified goods and services uniform across the states unlike the current situation where different states prescribes and levy different rates on the same product.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:54 Pramod
5:55
[ Comment From Safiullah Ansari Safiullah Ansari: ]
What is your opinion about GST implementation from 1st April,2017? Is it possible to implement it in such short span of time considering its mammoth complexities?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:55 Safiullah Ansari
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
The President's assent should not be a problem, nor should it be a problem to get 15 of 29 states to ratify their GST Bills. The problem could emerge if these Bills are placed in Parliament as financial bills, since that puts them again in the Rajya Sabha, where they could potentially get stalled again.
TCA Sharad Raghavan
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
In short, the April 1 deadline is doable, but challenging.
TCA Sharad Raghavan
5:56
[ Comment From Rajesh Rajesh: ]
Do you foresee turf war between state and central tax authorities? GST's success depends on its implementation. So, lot depends on the tax administrators!
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:56 Rajesh
5:56
Pramod:
The difference in the GST constitutional bill of NDA was with respect to the compensation and dispute redressal mechanism
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:56 Pramod
5:59
Pramod:
1st April 2017 is not sacrosanct. It is indeed an ambitious target to implement GST by 1st April 2017 but not impossible. It all depends how soon the legislative processes get completed and GST council decides on rates and other technical aspects of the GST.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 5:59 Pramod
6:00
[ Comment From Kishan Kishan: ]
If GST bill put in as Finance Bill,does it require 2/3 majority as it was when actually passing it in Rajyasabha ?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 6:00 Kishan
The Hindu:
Only constitutional amendments require two-thirds majority. But the ruling party does not enjoy a simple majority in Rajya Sabha.
The Hindu
6:02
[ Comment From Arul Arul: ]
What will be the impact on states like Uttarakhand, Himachal pradesh which enjoy Excise holiday in SEZ areas
Wednesday August 10, 2016 6:02 Arul
6:03
Pramod:
The white paper on GST suggest that the existing area based exemption will be honoured by way of refund mechanism. SEZ exemption will hopefully maintained
Wednesday August 10, 2016 6:03 Pramod
6:04
The Hindu:
Can we have the closing comments from the panelists?
Wednesday August 10, 2016 6:04 The Hindu
6:06
Pramod:
The Centre, by way of a specific provision in the Constitution, has promised to compensate full loss of revenue to States on account of GST, for a period of 5 years
Wednesday August 10, 2016 6:06 Pramod
6:07

Thank you all again!
TCA Sharad Raghavan:
Thank you, Pramod, and all those who sent in their questions. It made for a very lively discussion. From what can be gathered from the discussion, GST is going to change some fundamental tax issues that will affect manufacturing, services, and even consumers. It is a critical tax reform, and here's hoping it will be set in motion by April 1, 2017.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 6:07 TCA Sharad Raghavan
6:08
The Hindu:
On that note, we come to the end of the discussion. Thank you Pramod, Suresh and Sharad. Special thanks to all our readers.
Wednesday August 10, 2016 6:08 The Hindu



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