The Indian family has been a long-standing site for reinforcing and perpetuating male privilege and entitlement
Sexual crimes derive from social attitudes and no serious effort at lessening their occurrence can ever depend upon cosmetic measures such as greater policing and calls for the death penalty. This is not to deny either the legitimacy of the anger over the terrible event that led to the recent rape and death of a young woman, or that the Indian justice system frequently subjects rape victims to as much trauma as the original act itself. Rather, that there is more urgent need than ever to think about the cultures of masculinity in India. While there have been good reasons why women’s studies departments and many non-governmental organisations have been resistant to including a focus on masculinity as a way of understanding gender, the time is ripe for a change in this attitude. Now, more than ever, we require an understanding of masculine cultures that is informed by feminist methods and perspectives. Gender is always a relationship between women, men (and other genders) and unless we have a sense of how boys are socialised as men, our understanding of the ways in which gender oppression unfolds will always be incomplete.
Socially produced
Masculine cultures infuse all significant aspects of modern life and masculinity refers to the socially produced ways of being male. That is to say, men learn to be men and this “learning” is expressed both in terms of social structures as well as in the ways in which men present themselves in everyday life. So, for example, the idea of “men’s work” and “women’s work” relates to social structure whereas the ways in which men speak, behave, gesture, and interact with other men (as well as women) reflect the behavioural aspects of masculinity. Linked to this is the idea that some ways of being a man are better than others. These ideas about gender are produced at specific sites, and these might include educational systems, customary laws and regulations, the state and its mechanisms, the family, religious norms and sanctions, popular culture, and, the media.
Finally, in this context, it is important to remember that in all societies there exist multiple ways of being a man, but that certain aggressive models of masculinity become dominant. That is to say, masculinity is not just a relationship between men and women, but also between men. Some ways of being a man are considered more manly than others.
The notions of “making” and “producing” are crucial to the study of masculine identities, for they point to their historical and social nature. The various discourses of “proper” masculine behaviour — in novels, films, advertisements, for example — would be unnecessary if it was a naturally endowed characteristic. The very fact that masculinity must consistently be reinforced — “if you buy this motorcycle you’ll be a real man” — says something about the tenuous and fragile nature of gender identities. It also suggests the possibility of foregrounding alternative models of masculinity.
Colonialism
A great deal of neglect of masculinity as an object of study lies in the celebratory ways in which we have tended to understand Indian nationalism which — in its reactions to colonial rule — produced a deeply masculine culture of modernity. So, if colonists sought to justify colonial rule by suggesting that Indians were not “manly enough” for either self-rule or rational thinking, nationalists simply inverted argument through providing “evidence” of Indian masculinity as well as “reforming” a number of social institutions to more closely reflect European ideas about “proper” families, intimacies, etc. Colonialism did not, of course, invent Indian masculinities, but it did help to cement and highlight certain regressive tendencies within it. Swami Vivekananda’s masculine photographic-pose was only one aspect of the cult of masculinity encouraged and tolerated by nationalism.
Beyond the historical context, masculine bias proliferates itself in a number of areas that have immediate bearing on everyday life. The masculinity of spaces and institutions is one of these. It has become commonplace to understand certain spaces and institutions (say, the street and Parliament) as public, and others (say, the home) as private. The terms “public” and “private” have, in turn, become linked to ideas about the “proper” realms for men and women. Women are tolerated in public spaces and within public institutions but are expected to behave “properly.” Otherwise they suffer ridicule and violence. The media quite often provides accounts of public women (say parliamentarians) through describing what they wear, or, how many children they have; women’s primary identity continues to be defined through an implicit understanding that public institutions possess (and should possess) a masculine identity. Our legal institutions just as frequently bring to bear masculine bias when dealing with gender-sensitive issues. It is not unusual, therefore, that while judges may express revulsion towards rape crimes, they may also say something like “what was this young woman doing at an ice-cream parlour at that time of the night?” The idea that women frequently contribute to their own ill-treatment through behaving in an “inappropriate” manner is part of the set of masculine attitudes that characterise a great deal of thinking on gender.
In schools
Schools are another site where masculine cultures are both produced and refined. Many of us too frequently make the simplistic assumption that there is a direct connection between girls’ education and women’s empowerment. The truth of the matter is that girls’ education continues to seen through a masculinity lens: that educated girls will make better mothers, rather than that they might be able to exercise individual autonomy. If on the one hand, schooling can reinforce dominant notions regarding “appropriate” male and female behaviour, we need also to realise that formal education is an inadequate measure of women’s autonomy. We need to move away from masculine notions of the significance of educated women as good wives and mothers.
The family and religious customs are two other extremely significant contexts for the making of masculine cultures. The Indian family has been a long-standing site for reinforcing the most pernicious aspects of masculinity. Our family lives contain elaborate formal and informal means of reinforcing and celebrating male privilege. Sons are brought up to both perpetuate and condone gender hierarchies and are nurtured with a sense of entitlement.
It is this that lies at the heart of male violence towards women. Indian “family values” are contexts of a great deal of jingoistic celebrations about what is special about Indian society. Such jingoism keeps us from turning a critical eye towards what is genuinely rotten within one of the most basic units of social life. It keeps us from critically examining the masculine cultures that impact upon the relationship between genders. It is important for women and men to protest against the crime of rape. But, it is just as important to ask why such a large number of women have taken to celebrating the Karva-Chauth festival, and, why there has been no significant public examination of such rituals of male-worship.
(Sanjay Srivastava is professor of Sociology and co-editor, Contributions to Indian Sociology, Institute of Economic Growth, New Delhi.)
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To quote Nehru on Vivekandanda - "There was fire in his heart- the
fire of a great personality coming out in eloquent and ennobling
language".
The photograph is a mere reflection of the above statement.
It is also good to remember what Nehru spoke about the Nationalism
connected with swamiji
"His was a kind of nationalism which automatically slipped into Indian
nationalism which was part of internationalism."
Swamiji's words "Brothers and Sisters" reflects the kind of attitude
that is to be nurtured among the youth.
Yes, Prof. Srivastava's comments should be thought in the right perspective about women and Swami Vivekananda's view points about them. Our tradition valours only men and not women which is reinforced time and again by all the hindu scriptures starting from the higly discriminatory Manu Smriti, Arthasastra, Mahabharatha to name a few. The point is that Indians take everything from the face value and hence knee jerk reactions like this keep cropping. At the higher level such emotions are then translated by the communal forces and the political parties much to their advantage. One notable instance is the veneration of the criminal Balasaheb Thackery for almost a span of 50 years who killed communist party workers, destroyed communism, trade unions, spew venoms against Madrasis, Biharis, Muslims and died without any jail sentences. Our history should be constructive, unbiased and should be free from personal viewpoints.
@sumanth says: we do Suhasini Puja and "treat women as goddess on that day" The question is who does Suhasini Puja? Do you have men doing all the work and offering obeisance to women sitting on a chair? If you notice the poojas - it is the woman who does all the work and looks through a sieve at the man standing (who didn't do any work). His participation is just giving his appearance!!
While I cannot comment on the Karva-Chauth as it is not observed in my
part of India, the authors comments about Swami Vivekananda only suggest
an attempt to subversion.If his photograph also radiates his brilliance
of being a strong self made individual who called for a national awakening,unity and for being a source of inspiration for vastly many,
attributing it to notions of masculinity only suggests his intent for
cheap publicity by making such controversial statements.The colonial rule was reinforced on us calling us inferior for self-rule
or rational thinking based on racial prejudices. How the author goes on
to say that this statement is inverted by the nationalists and brings
Swami Vivekananda into context is illogical. As another commenter
pointed, he distanced himself from the politics.In the general sense,
the nationalists were those who are involved in political dialogue/confrontation with the colonial forces like M.K.Gandhi, J.Nehru, Sardar Patel,etc.Why are these not quoted?
To all those blindly praising Swami Vivekananda in the comments, I quote here verbatim from Swami Vivekananda himself - taken from "The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda/Volume 3/The Future of India" - Used here the quote is out of context, but that is the point I am trying to make to you - read the quote and judge for yourself why we need not blind ourselves to the sense in Mr. Srivastava's article just because one line does not meet our sensibilities::
"Ladies, excuse me, but through centuries of slavery, we have become like a nation of women. You scarcely can get three women together for five minutes in this country or any other country, but they quarrel. Women make big societies in European countries, and make tremendous declarations of women's power and so on; then they quarrel, and some man comes and rules them all. All over the world they still require some man to rule them." - Swami Vivekananda
(You can check the quote and its context on Wikipedia)
I wish to thank Prof.Sanjay Srivastava for the well written article and I wish this has been read by the older generation who still think that veneration of masculinity is acceptable.The idea of families propitiating male privileges as being the root cause of male violence towards women could not have been articulated at a more appropriate time.Our society largely thinks that violence against a fellow human being can be justified if the woman 'invited it upon herself'.Hence the constitution of their psyche is of importance and primary socialisation within the family is
to be blamed.
Professor Srivastava makes excellent points that the Indian society should take note of. When village boys fight, they curse one another with sexual phrases in which they are virtually talking of raping women. The boys feel like men; I suppose that is the aggressive masculinity. The young boys actually learn it from other elders, both men and women. When they get to high school and college, absence of such vocabulary is considered an inadequacy in masculinity. When one dislikes a woman’s action or behavior, they use a bad word to describe her but they do not call a man a dog for similar action or behavior. Sociologists may assemble instances such pollution and vitiation of the social environment and call on the society to treat one another with courtesy and respect regardless of gender and other classifications in the Indian society.
This is a thought provoking article by Dr. Srivatsava and it is true that if there is a reason why it is still a man's world, it is because of our own women folk and there needs to be a radical change in the way we think. Our prinicples and values are so deeply rooted that almost all women ignore the fact that they are being taken for granted.However I do not agree with the author's opinion on Swami Vivekananda's pose depicting masculinity as he himself is a person who has fought for the cause of women's empowerment. This picture of a sage of his stature thus must not be misinterpreted.
If the nation needs to see a change in the entire system of treating women, I sincerely feel it should start from every household; like the customary saying- "Charity begins at home."
Mr.Sanjay,
Have you gone through the life of Swami Vivekananda fully? if you gone through and inferred he was masculine power, then you are something wrong. Today the most of the poor people (men & Women ) get education,healthcare and mankind services from his mission (Ramakrishna Mission)which was started by him.
Today so many poor children’s getting education from his mission, some of the institution offering free education, boarding and food. The man who was done so many precious work in short span of time, but you are the one who using for him as masculine pose and men who against women (someone commended Swamiji as against women). for your own benefit.
It's unfortunate because our own countrymen’s giving sarcastic commends about our legends and our beliefs, but other western countries are accepting Swami Vivekananda as a prominent leader.
The reference to Swami Vivekananda in this article is not in good taste.
It was he who famously commented, "The best thermometer to the progress of
a nation is its treatment of its women". In no way does his masculinity
even border on the regressive.
Writer is a professor of sociology.But I think he is totally ignorant of the Hindu social institutions.That is why he is writing rubbish about the 'masculinity' in Karva Chauth and even pictures of universaaly revered Swami Vivekanand's picture has been dragged into this junk.He should be aware that in many foreign universities research work is going on this unique development of the institution of 'Family' in Indian society.This is prevalent in the followers of every faith in India.Because adherents of different faiths in India were originally Hindus. Karva Chauth is celeberated by married Hindu women because there are days for srengthening the bonds among different members of the FAMILY.Between brothers and sisters there are Rakshabandhan and Bhaiyya Dooj.Between mother and son there is a celeberation of Ahoi Ashtami which falls exactly four days after the Karva Chauth.For the whole family house women celeberates Sankat Chaturthi.There are different occasions to foster this unity.
Ref:Vatsala Sharma
Madam....yes many men might do it and are still doing it...but there are
also many who help their wives in many ways.I do it ...knowing fully
well that my wife too slogs in the office.May be 'one swallow does not
make a summer'...but I am sure there are many who belong to my tribe.
It is time that women stop criticising men for all the 'ills' in the
society.They are also a part of it.They are no angels.
Guys Vivekanada's posture is of confidence and visionary. To prove a
point people stoop down to any level ..... pathetic.
I do not know what Swami Vivekananda's photo got to do with this article on "Taking the aggression out of masculinity". Perhaps the author is ignorant of the famous speeches of Swami in America both during the World Conference of Religions and after. He addressed the people as " Brothers and sisters of America", and was applauded for the sincerity with which he said this. He had also said in his speeches, quite pungently too, how we, as Hindus treat all women except our wife as "mother", which those in the west treat all women other than their mother as "wives". To equate such a person with this article on aggression of masculinity is utter nonsense and has deeply hurt thousands of Swami's devotees like me. The Hindu and the author of this article owe an apology to all the readers. Hope an old institution like The Hindu will respect the sentiments of the people.
The reason for the popularity of Karva Chauth, especially among the
younger crowd, is very simple: Bollywood. Especially the generation that
was brought up on the likes of Yashraj staple and DDLJ. Karva Chauth is
just like a Santoshi Mata equivalent to me - no one would have bothered
had it not been for them being shown with so much glamour on the silver
screen.
The author puts forward half-baked arguments to show that violence against women is a product of societal attitudes which is completely unproven and a manufactured hypothesis. How come the societal attitude of worshipping the Divine as Mother Goddess did not infuse respect for all women? Men are men and women are women. They can not be the same. As for violence, it is despicable and a sin no matter who it is directed against, be it a man or woman.
The reasons for sexual crimes against women are many and varied. To write off an entire society as responsible for a few mis-guided aberrant individuals is unwise. In any society there will always be a certain percentage of people who are criminals.Sexual violence needs to be countered on many fronts, including re-engineering the societal attitudes and values. Law enforcement as deterrant would be another. Adopting measures against crime at a personal level is always wise just as we lock our cars and houses against robbery.
"The disparaging and misleading remarks made by Mr Sanjay Srivastava on
the photographic pose of Swami Vivekananda are uncalled for. These are
the thunderbolt like words of Swami Vivekananda - The Cyclonic/Warrior
monk of India on gender equality: "Is there any sex-distinction in the
Atman(Self)? Out with the differentiation between man and woman—all is
Atman! Give up the identification with the body, and stand up!" - Swami
Vivekananda""
I think this brilliant argued piece covers most of the bases on the issue. It rightly points to the flawed notion of masculinity as the reason for the many ills that the patriarchal system manifests. The media's role in "miss"representing women, including those in public positions also shows the institutional bias against women.
Masculinity hurts an individual man, as much as the it hurts the society, given the unnecessary behaviors and actions that it tends to encourage.
We must remember that one of the major reasons the Hindu Right and earlier the nationalists always glorified and used Vivekanada's words and images was because of the the masculine image he tried to exude. It is no coincidence that this image is still used by the likes of Narendra Modi in his political campaigns.
I must appreciate the point about the contribution of schools to the notion of masculinity-stereotyping, little interaction, different dress codes, discouraging women in sports etc are all examples of it.
I disagree with the analysis of this article. I am also surprised this comes from a
serious academician. Seen in another way, customs like Karva Chauth emphasize
peace making role of women in society. They come out together and wish well for
their dear ones - this also encourages community bonding and links various
families. Also I do not think modern Indian nationalism is masculine - many
women are worshipped in households like Vivekanada and Indian society craves
for heroines too if not exactly as much as heroes.
Simply linking patriarchalism with rape is very silly. Both are different kinds of issues. Many traditional societies in Europe are not less patriarchal than some Indian societies - like in Switzerland for example. Patriarchalism naturally
dissolves in right socio-ecomonic conditions - it can cure itself usually. This has happened in many places in India too. However, rape is a sympton of another
disease being the most horrible form of social frustration and aggression.
The article positively needs a corrective measure as it seems that the
writer though a professor of sociology is yet to travel a long way to
understand the Indian culture and of course, the savior of Hinduism,
Swami Vivekananda. It reveals the narrow vision of the author caused either due to his shallow understanding or his personal compulsions. Yet,we thank the writer because his shallow vision has given us the opportunity to share some thought provoking and precious sermons of Swami Vivekananda to the world and especially to the Indian society, for the welfare of the women.
“ The best thermometer to the progress of a nation is its treatment of
its women. In ancient Greece there was absolutely no difference in the state of man and woman. The idea of perfect equality existed.”(CW:Vol8
:p 198)
“All nations have attend greatness by paying proper respect to women.
That country and that nation which do not respect women have never
become great, nor will ever be in future.”(CW Vol7:p215)
Very sad that even after sixty three years of independence our intellectuals are so dependent on western narrative of Indian society.In recent times it has become a fashion to blame the finest products of Indian culture for any social evil in the society.It takes a lot of courage and imagination to blame Swami Vivekanand for the social evils of Indian society.It is comparable to blaming Immanuel Kant's photograph for some social evil existing in modern Germany.The writer will appreciate the fact that it is the youth of the country(many of them take their inspiration from Swami Vivekanand)which has stood against the social evil of corruption and atrocities on women.This youth is also the product of the same Indian culture which the writer blames for all the social evils.
This is with reference to the article depicting Swamy Vivekananda as symbol of masculinity.
The social research point of view should have complete depth understanding of the subject and the opinion should not be biased due to the authors inclination of thought.
The Article failed to discuss how India as nation could have Mamata benarjee, Jayalalitha, Mayavathi, Indira,Sheila Dixit, Sushma swaraj, Sonia Gandhi ...,so many women leaders in forefront of politics .Even most of the countries in the world can not reach the level of India in terms of the position and respect that has been provided for the women.The author forgot while quoting karva chaut to mention about durga puja and navaratri puja where women form is garlanded throughout the country with atmost devotion.Author might be not aware of Gargi,first lady to learn Vedas.There are number of examples with in the country showing motherhood is respected and enough dignity is provided for women.
I completely agree with author on "The Indian family has been a long-standing site for reinforcing and perpetuating male privilege and entitlement".
Though we claim to have rich tradition and culture, worst and worst of violence are happening against women. It is rightly said that rather than making great policing is not the only way as it lies basically in a family where daughters and wives are treated less priviledged than men. Rather than calling for equality of women from outside, we have to reinforce the position of women and daughters right from the family which is the basic entity of a society.
If a man loves his wife, when she celebrates karva chauth for his longevity, then it should not be a problem for us if man does the same for his wife. And if women thinks by doing that, it is good for her family, then would it be a problem if men does the same?
Many people here have been angered by the way in which Swami Vivekananda has been depicted. However, it is true that his views were very patriarchal and clearly his views of women were limited to his definition of a mother. Any woman falling outside it was not a 'good' woman.
'Vivekananda identified two concepts of women: (1) woman, the mother- de-crotised (maternal) and (2) woman, the fallen, the sexual being (carnal). The former is pure, nurturant and spiritual and the latter is the sexual female with negative qualities of effeminacy such as lethargy, cowardice, immaturity'
This, in my opinion sums up the views held by most Indians and this is the problem, among many with our culture.That a woman who expresses a basic instinct like a sexual drive is given negative labels. And let us not forget that the only role a mother can have is a nurturing one. she is not a person independent of it
I am not sure if the take of the nationalistic movement has had such an influence. We have after all also had freedom fighters like Lakshmi Bai although I note that Subhadrakumari Chauhan did say "Khoob ladi mardani woh to Jhansiwali Rani thi".
So, there may be some truth to that. Nonetheless, Gandhiji's nonviolent movement did not emphasize the sort of overt masculinity associated with violence.
What is however true is the perpetuation of male dominance in our families. The girl is brought up to behave demurely and help in the household whereas the boys are allowed to be brash and lazy. We also have countless festivals like
Rakshabandhan, Bhai Duj where young girls are implicitly imbued with the idea that the brother is there to protect them. The girl on the other hand is never worshipped by the boy.
From female foeticide to dowry and rape, it's a long long way to go for our country and society if we are to fix our problems.
Swami Vivekananda’s photographic-pose is to be seen in positive
context and in no way conveys masculinity as per the author.
It inspires the whole nation and just for the sake of propogenda and
to draw attention by using negativism the author had used his photo
with caption. It shows how cheap has become the standards have
become.The author should realise that many crores of Indiana and
foreigners have great faith on him and his speech and philosophy. He
had fought for women welfare and the article is condemnable.
I literally fought with my family few months ago to subscribe to this
newspaper because I felt it needed to be supported but this articles
leaves me seriously disappointed.
Swami Vivekananda's support for empowering women and his clearly
stated distance from the nationalist struggle because of its political
leanings are well known. Author's claims (direct or indirect) to the
contrary suggest at best a poor understanding and at worst an
uncharitable agenda. This picture was taken at a religious gathering
in US by an American and not by a nationalist cult. Look at some of
his other pictures where he appears as wandering monk living on alms.
How does that feature in your narrative of aggressive masculinity Mr.
Srivastava?
There are certain masculine traits (physical strength) and feminine
traits(grace and beauty) and if one wishes to eliminate all the
differences in the world for the sake of equality then I pity that
shallow intellectual/liberal idea because that is a death wish.
Couldn't agree more with the author. The Indian family is the source of all the wrong notions of masculinity inbuilt into how the average Indian male thinks. A feeling is built into boys at a young age that girls are inferior, do 'non-boy' things, do not not have first choice on most aspects of home and social life, etc.
This is utter rubbish.
And it is fathers and mothers who are responsible for this.
Why is it that the 'maapillai' in Tamizh homes is given such respect when the bride is treated as a also-ran?
Why is it that the men folk get to eat first and only then do the women folk get together for their meal?
Media and advertising feeds this stupidity. Notice how so many bike ads and even cereal ads (like Kellogs) demean the woman characters in them?
Personally, each time I hear a boy (relative / neighbour / friend) talk anything demeaning about a girl he gets a sharp knock on his skull from me.
First of all it is doubtful whether Swami Vivekananda gave this pose.
This is like a painting. Even if he has posed definitely this is not a
masculine pose.
One cannot interpret what they want. It should be understood in what
anything is actually said.
"Swami Vivekananda’s masculine photographic-pose was only one aspect of the cult of masculinity encouraged and tolerated by nationalism."
The author feels Swami Vivekananda's pose portrays masculinity.
Is this your view Mr Author, what can we say?
If you want to know India correctly, then you have to study Swami Vivekanada fully. And then quote Swami Vivekanada.
Its absurd on part of this fool to equate one great photo of Swami Vivekananda exuding great confidence with male muscular domination.I am going to stop reading THE HINDU which is increasingly turning into into a anti Hindu mouthpiece
I agree with the writer on Indian way (social) to treat woman and we
must get rid of social and religious customs as soon as possible. And
believe me this is just a start to improve woman and her conditions in
our country.
On Vivekananda, I used to follow some of his wise words but not
anymore; after some deep level research, I came to know that he was a
strong follower of Indian social system which used to treat woman like
a secondary human being (more or less) with other social evils like
caste system and all.
Arun, Ashutosh, Anu and all others, please read Vivekananda and his
philosophy about woman (in detail) - his main concern was 'purity'
rather than civic liberty for woman. If some of you still don't trust
me, below is the small piece for your eyes (and brain):
The Swami did not seem to consider women capable of mature behavior.
Thus he declared in Madras, rather nonchalantly, that "through
centuries of slavery, we have become the nation of women."
Dr Sanjay Srivastava has tried to bring out several unrelated issues
in the article.In his hurry to write on male dominance he has dragged in Swami
Vivekananda'masculine' picture into the article which is unacceptable.Probably he
must have thought of bringing in Lord Rama's or Krishna's 'muscular' arms in the
article ,instead has dragged in Swami Vivekananda's picture-fearing trouble.
It has become a fashion to criticise our culture.It's rude and intolerant of such writers to publicly or unapologetically challenge religious beliefs.Maybe a loving and devoted wife/woman celebrates "Karva Chouth" or similar festivals are for the "longivity" of the husband.But in that she knows that society,specially Indian ,respects a woman as long her husband is alive.
The author could have highlighted the problems of a widow or a divorced woman,instead.
The author has made a keen observation about the role of Indian
families in promotion of its contorted vision of masculinity and femininity.In the modern times , even if a working couple come back
from work at the same hours , its the lady who enters the kitchen ,
while the "gentlemen" sprawl in front of the TV . Family dinners often
see women laboring in kitchen for hours , however when it comes to
eating the food, women first serve the men first (lest the rotis
become cold!!) and then eat later after the men are done.
These are some practical day to day instances , which instill the idea
of male superiority over the female even if the female is equally
educated or financially independent.
I do not agree with author on the point that he makes about
Vivekanand.But there is no denial of the fact that there are certain
traditions which involve worshipping men and Karvachauth is one of
them.Those calling karvachauth a romantic festival surely need to
remember that the fast culminates with wife touching her husband's
feet.what kind of romantic gesture is that?.If it is so,men should start
reciprocating their feeling in the same way. And also,pati means lord.
To use Swami Vivekananda in talking about 'Masculinity' is absurd and outright condemnable. It has become a fashion for writers to drag in unrelated and relate them Newspapers like 'The Hindu' are best served by not publishing such articles - if they persist then they are set to be doomed !!
Ref:Baikadi Suryanarayana Rao's comment,
I think the reader is confused like the author.He seems to simply support the author just for the sake of supporting.What has 'madesnana' got to do with this article? Men by and large ,in any country is dominating.Even most of the cartoons -specially the English one-contains such overtones.
Let us strive to be good and not denigrate the north indian festival.In south India we have our own many varieties of 'vrathas' for the longevity of husband.By this I mean for the 'good' of/for the family.it is a united wish.nothing sexist.
Just read a comment here that according to Swami Vivekananda a person should
have nerves of steel and YET the heart of a woman. This implies that a woman can
not have the nerves of steel...how very ironical!
First of I don't understand the need and the propensity of the
increasing number of authors to blame male and male-related characters
for sex-offenses.
US and most of the West is not having a strict patriarchal society.
However, rape is common there too. Hence, the logic of associating
manliness with sex-offenses has no scientific or rational
justification.
If one sees the various sex offenses committed across the world, one
could easily find that such offenses are not exclusively against women
but also against men. However, in India sex-offenses against males
goes unnoticed and even discouraged by the Police in the name of
'honor', etc. There have been many allegations but no cases would ever
be registered for sex-offenses against men, in India. Does that mean
the other sex is unaffected?
Instead of painting with the popular brush, I urge the readers and the
writers to think rationally and 'The Hindu' to fulfill its moral duty
of educating the people instead of spreading propaganda
Writing for "progressive" causes requires soft and easy targets. And
voila, you got a new one in the form of Swami Vivekananda.
In order establish his point,the author desperately tried to include desultory topics.
Agreed.Some retorgrade rituals like Karva Chauth unconciosuly glorify masculinity.It could have stopped there.
What has Swami Vivekananda to do with masculinity.Some desirable human attributed like Strength,Confidence are no way related gender. During the freedom struggle and afterwards,the pose of Vivekananda embodied these qualities and it had inspired thousands and men as well as woman.
Going by the same logic,why the worship of the sacred feminine which is prevalent in Hindusim,since times immemorial,does not help counter this masculine tendencies in society.
The author's reference to Swamiji is totally misplaced. What a source of divine inspiration he was to our national leaders like Gandhiji, Tagore, Rajaji etc.
If you want to know India, study Vivekananda. In him everything is positive and nothing negative- Rabindranath Tagore
I have gone through his works very carefully and after having gone through them, the love that I had for my country became thousandfold
-Mahatma Gandhi
Swami Vivekananda saved Hinduism and saved India. But for him we would have lost religion and would not have gained freedom. We therefore owe everything to Swami Vivekananda- Rajaji
I second the views on the caption against Swami Vivekananda's picture. His stature is great because of his Spiritual greatness ( even beyond religious!). He was a hardcore monk and the last thought on his mind would have been on 'masculinity'. Dear editor, please do not degrade such as personality.
This is the article of its only kind that I have come across recently.
Most of the articles that I read never raised the point of the prevalent
worship of men and masculinity. Mr Srivastava has raised some very
pertinent points which are to be taken into consideration to bring a
reform and change in this gender-sensitive society. It's time that
families stop treating sons and daughters differently. Women stop
worshiping men as their "Pati-Parmeshawar". Such things only make male
ego stronger.
Indian nationalism tried its best to remove baises and bad practices. Sati pratha, universal franchise, women participating in freedom struggle.
This is called going to the end of extremism. who said masculinity or femininity are negative words. Men and women are genders and masculine and feminine are gender
specific words, so what? It is ideology and philosophy of people like
you who are now finding needles in haystack just to put forward a
point from a different perspective, so that people commend your
intellect. I do not see anything wrong with Swami Vivekananda's pose.
I would differ from the author.Swami Vivekananda always voiced for equality and empowerment of women in the Indian society.He has even stated a quote i.e
"There is no chance of welfare of the world unless the condition of women is improved.As no bird can fly with one wing".
Surely it is the time to change.
So even showing a whiff of masculinity by a Hindu icon is considered crime.
To equate Swami Vivekananda with notions of regressive masculinity is
absurd.
Swami Vivekananda said that his ideal was that of someone who had
nerves of steel and yet had the heart of a woman.
"The Hindu" needs to realize that it's Marxist propaganda which it
tries to promote day in and day out will not go so unchallenged
in the new digital age.
Dear moderators, don't bother publishing my comment because I know you
won't have the courage to.
It is shocking to read in a newspaper like The Hindu such disugusting and meaningless comment on a great soul! It is unacceptable for publishing such senseless interpretation.
The story by Mr.Sanjay Srivastava is excellent. Gender stereotypes are drilled into all of us and most people, women and men are unable to break free from them. I completely agree with the examples given as well, including the photograph of Swami Vivekananda. If we take a moment and think, our body postures, including the ones shown in the article are very typical to their gender. How many women assume that posture in their everyday routine?
Such attitudes, so ingrained in society will take an evolution of sorts to go. Just this morning a neighbour shouted down at me over an alleged leaking drain, did not let me get in a word edgeways and when it went too far and I said I would have the police in for this harassment he said 'Just because something happens to a woman in Delhi, don't think that you can say this'. This so exemplifies the spirit of the article.
Rituals like Karwa chauth and Rakhi have symbolic meanings - meanings
which the author seems to not only have not researched, but also
applied wishful thought at. Vilification of religious symbolism or
taking a needless dig at historical personalities for posing in a
photograph only serves to dilute the matter at hand - that of women
empowerment. You, Sir, have totally disgraced yourself by this
fantasy that passes for an article.
I would also like to point out that unlike what a commentator here
mentions about "Madesnan", people calling themselves 'upper caste' are
the ones that usually participate in this - and this comes from
experience.
We Indians need to outrage at something. And that something always has
to be what we can associate with. Whether it is right or wrong. We
self hate for the heck of it.
I agree completely with the author. He is right in pointing out the defects in the so - called vnerable "Indian Cultue" . All this talk of culture and values is farce. These traditions and social norms were were initiated by the interpretation of religious scriputure by "MEN" to suit their own whims and fancies. Who can claim to have read all our religious scriptures so that we can understand and dechipher their true meaning. Thus all customs traditions etc are works of facny of only some men. That is precisely the reason why men dont like women's education. They feel "insecure" .
To actually use Swami Vivekanada as a poster boy for Masculinity is asinine to say the least . Swami Vivekananda who said "That Country and that Nation which does not respect Women will never become great now and nor will ever in future.
The principal reason why our race has so degenerated is that we had no respect for these living images of Shakti."
Stop this bashing of a great culture , yes some aspects of this culture might have been corrupted , but it is still the greatest and the oldest and a culture that holds women in the highest regard and as embodiments of the Goddess . It is when we keep silent citing tolerance of the religion we practice as an excuse and not defend and propagate the values and morals of a a great religion , that we are guilty of treason.
The author's reference to Swamiji is totally baseless & out of
context! He was a fiery patriot but he didn't have affiliation to any
nationalist group. His was a spiritual revolution that breathed life
into the enervated Indian masses & his ideas have been the genesis of
the Independence struggle, inspiring Gandhi, Bose, Aurbindo. He
censured Indians aping the west & renegading their roots &
simultaneously urged them to open their eyes & adopt the best of the
west- "Western Science coupled with Vedanta".
Swamiji's ideas abt womanhood are well known- "With five hundred men,
the conquest of India might take fifty years: with as many women, not
more than a few weeks!" In fact, The pic above was taken by westerner,
as are most of his, in Chicago 1893!
The writer has in essence gone just contrary to what Swamiji stood for
& has made the reference just for argument's sake, & dangerously, on
Swamiji's 150th birth anniversary. An apology should be made.
I agree with my fellow commentators. Some of the issues bought out in
the article are not related and it appears that there is a air of
incoherence in what the author is trying to explain. We all agree that
the Indian society is still considerably entrenched in son-preference
and male domination mentality. This is however, now widely challenged
and is changing. Holding tradition, rituals and Indian festivals
responsible for perpetuating masculinity is not a convincing argument.
For that matter, Swami Vivekananda's photo by no means emanates any
aura of masculinity as perceived by the author. Swami Vivekananda
always propagated the importance of equality, remember the speech
which he gave during his visit to Chicago?
To conclude, the author is right in telling that there should be changes in the mindset of people to bring about any kind of reform on the present situation of masculinity. But, not at the cost of tradition, rituals and our culture.
I think Mr Shrivastava ( i share same surname )have some kind of problem related to religion and indian tradition or culture. i am unable to relate his single point to oppression of women in general or even in rare case!Do not know how KARWA CHAWTH is a MAN WORSHIP which is tradition of just fasting for long live of man[as it is said traditionally] and on same time the MAN also love their wives for same.
Use of Swami Vivekanand's pic is just a height of illogical comment. What author expect a man to be then? Is having a strong personality wrong thing?
Read the article twice and still couldn't get how photograph of Swami Vivekananda cotribute to the Indian male voilence towards women. Also most of the Indian festivals have taken modern outlook. If in past karva chauth was celeberated by women paticularly in north western region for safety of their husband as the time of festival generally coincided with the war periods or long business travels, today it is considered as a romantic festival, symbolising love between husband and wife which has been much popularised through popular mediums specially bollywood movies. I agree with lot of what article says but conecting it with swami vivekanand or karva chuth was just preposterous.
I was shocked to read the article in today newspaper.
We are talking about sexual crimes, and then we are talking about
masculinity and Swami Vivekananda. Let the author know that Swami
Vivekananda, many decades ago had spoken about how education is
important for the women in India. I strongly condemn this article and
its content by the author Sanjay Srivastava. What is wrong in
celebrating karva chauth? I don't understand what the writer is trying
to establish by connecting masculinity, gender relation, Swami
Vivekananda, traditions? What is he trying to say, we should stop
following these traditions or should we review them? There is no logic
in what is being published.
Can the author talk more "logically" about what is the culture of
masculinity in India? And what relevance does it have to the rape case
and current events in the country?
I am shocked that a newspaper of your repute is publishing such
articles.
Indian males have a sense of MISPACED Superiority and is not exclusive to Indians alone. Every culture has it.
Look at the car and bikes show for eg, how the so called MODELS are vitually commodified--- it happens in western culture NOT INDIAN.I can also go on on including Middle east, where they are nothing but property.
"Karva-Chauth" is DENIGRATING-- LAUGHABLE.
The article is very selective in its approach in so far a dealing with this "misplaced superioty complex".
"Oh my heavenly Father "-Look at the religious prophets worshipped ALL MALE-Does the paper/author question it?
I will never suggest FEAR as a way, since it curbs intellectual growth, but have some sense of responsibility before ATTACKING everythin Indian.
In so far as SWAMI VIVEKANANDA is concerned,the views expressed are digusting.
Father of a software engineer working at US on his return from that
country was proudly telling me his son’s opinion that whenever an
overturned car was found in freeways there it can be safely concluded
that the accident is caused either by a young girl or an old woman.
This sort of misogynist mindset is primarily responsible for the
problems being faced by our women.There is a revanchist custom of
people belonging to lower castes rolling over the plantain leaves
containing leftover food of upper caste people in some of the temples
in relatively advanced districts of South Kanara and Udupi districts
of Karnataka which is called ‘Madesnana’ and there have been protests
against the pernicious practice by progressive organizations
unfortunately without any success. After reading the thought provoking
article I feel similar protests are neededagainst the demeaning Karva
Chauth. At least glorifying the practice in our TV serials and films
can be stopped. Self respecting women should stop viewing such serials
being dished out by our channels.
Dear Sir,
"Swami Vivekananda’s masculine photographic-pose was only one aspect of the cult of masculinity encouraged and tolerated by nationalism."
The author feels Swami Vivekanandas pose portrays masculinity. It's his view.
What an incredibly ridiculous suggestion that Swami Vivekananda's photo
represents 'masculinity' and a symbol antagonistic to women empowerment.
It was his great disciple Nivedita who started one of the first schools
for women in India. The Swami never lost a chance to pit his might for
the cause of women in India.
To even loosely equate masculinity to rape is quiet a stretch for Mr. Srivastava, and then meandering around to all aspects of Indian culture to seemingly establish such a filmsy link between them is unworthy of good analysis.
Could we not just postulate that rape is a major crime, it has always been and will always be one. No culture that has good values, informed by Divine laws, philosophies, and religious text will tolerate such horrible evil.
Punishment for rape should be quick and severe. Females and males need to be taught martial arts and allowed to be armed for self-defense and protection. Let us stop this navel gazing and trying to turn the males into 'Castraties' or worse 'Metro-sexuals' in the image of liberals and lefties. Instead, let us do that which is good and noble and stop trying to analyze the 100 shades of grey that describe the downward path toward ignominity and sin.
This article exposes the author's shallow depth of the great culture
and tradition that the most ancient and magnanimous race of the world,
namely Indian, has been fostering from time immemorial. It is this
culture that kept our nation alive for ages and saving us from perils
from time to time. Our idea of woman is that of mother while the idea
of woman in the West is that of wife. Right from the dawn of the Vedic
age we always regarded women as the embodiment of the primordial
force, the creatrix of the universe. India's downfall began the day
when women were being disregarded and neglected, and these abominable
ideas crept inside us due to the influence of Western oppression.
This article is totally misleading and gives us entirely a wrong
picture about our culture and about our national hero Swami
Vivekananda. Author must go through the works of the Swami. This is
disgraceful.
Men and women have their own strengths and weakness both physically and
mentally. Man should behave like man and woman as woman. There is no
point in arguing about the gender elimination or exchanging roles.
Indian culture in a way contributes to the effects of disparity between men and women.our religious texts and manuscript often praise men and our modern day muscular men accept them without any rational/intellectual application.
My comment is only in reference to Karwa chauth and other actions that put men in a
superior position. I don't go to discuss about other things.
Sanjay Srivatsava is motivated by some ideology and hatred to combine many things together and abuse them by exploiting the current rage against rapes. The tradition of Karva Chauth is an age old tradition, which is celebrated in certain northern states, amongst Hindus. Hindus in states such as Maharashtra, Karnataka, TN, AP, WB, etc never celebrated Karva Chauth. Does it mean there is no rape or crime against women in these states, today, or historically. Does it also mean there are no crimes against women in religions other than Hinduism in India? Also, Karva Chauth is not celebrated in America - at least by non Hindus who are more than 99.50% of America's population. However America has at least 4 times more rapes registered than India, with approx 1/4th the population than India. That is. 16 times more rapes adjusted for population. Does it mean individualism and Christianity encourages crimes against women? SS should go back to school and learn A, B, C from children in Jr KG.
The author should have done more research ...After Dussera or in Devi navaratris hindus perform " Suhasini Puja" to the women ..they treat women as goddess on that day ..with all special pujas ...and I can't help the author if he doesn't know this simple fact ...visit any Devi temple and ask about Suhasini Puja they will explain you in-detail...but don't write columns with out any substance
Excellent. I completely agree with the author on the Indian family
has been a long-standing site for reinforcing and perpetuating male
privilege and entitlement. As rightly pointed out we (both women and
men) should examine the so called family values of jingoistic
celebrations and rituals of male-worship such as the Karva-Chauth,
Rakhi / Raksha Bandhan, and Bhai Dooj etc. Unless we question the
religious norms and traditional values, combating gender
discrimination, including its many faces, cannot be achieved.
For those who believe in god, He is the supreme power. But, by performing rituals
like karwa chauth, a group of women agree that men are superior than women and
by default emphasize that women are inferior. Performing a ritual for the family's
well-being or for that matter husband's good health appears normal, but, doing
arathi for men is intolerable! I am not a feminist, but I am totally against this ritual.
Men and women, by birth, are not equal. But, they should be treated equal. One is
not superior over the other, neither inferior. The day this is understood, there will
not be any mishappenings.
By the way, I was discussing about this ritual with my husband recently and had
the same opinion as the one talked above. The article reflects my thoughts.
I think the author is deeply confused between tradition and
exploitation. The author is trying to see with not his own eyes and is
compelling others to see what actually is not there. These are some
deliberate attempts to malign the Indian culture by attributing the
social violence solely to our culture. The author fails to realize
that the other obvious factors like economic disparity, intellectual
pluralism, media outreach etc as strong factors which are actually
contributing on a large scale to the violence and disturbance and not
the tradition!
Why you have to refer Mr. Vivekananda's pic here?? This pic does not in any way represent male superiority! Do you have any personal negative feeling towards this great human being??!!
Double determination of Human beings: If something good happens then they say it is due to thier hard work and if some thing bad happens then make religion and culture a scapegoat.
Equality among different people and gender is a "comman sense". Who stops one from making changes. Dr. Amedakar did it why can not we.
Sir
Dr Sanjay Srivastava has tried to bring out several unrelated issues
in the article, which I think demonstrates his incoherence. Had it
not been the stature of Dr.Srivastava, this would not have been deemed
fit for publication because of its incoherence. Dr.Srivastava has
failed to establish relationship between the different things like how
Swami Vivekananda is an example of the 'masculinity' that is talked
about and suppression of feminism in the article. Also the 'karva
chauth' contributing to the suppression of feminism is also not talked
about. Be that as it may. Dragging Swami Vivekananda into this picture
is unacceptable. His wrath may be against any religion, person etc including the Swami and I will appreciate if he openly writes about a particular caste, religion, person etc.
Great article. It will take a lot more than trying a few rapists to
change or stop rapes. Instilling fear might work for sometime but
people will find new ways around it. A cultural shift in thinking is
what is in order, but looking at the society around me I seriously
doubt that is going to happen anytime soon.
Good article! There has to be more discourse of how boys are brought up and what brings up the agressiveness in masculinity. Women have a role to play in this. And the very women who fight against gender inequality bring up their sons differently from daughters directly creating the space for gender inequality. Deep within, women look upon men as the symbol of strength and power, in private spaces such as within family and in public spaces, such as their praise for superstars and films where men are shown to be more powerful than women. Deeper questions have to be asked about how men need to understand their sexuality which peaks up aggressively in their teen years and can lead to anger and aggressiveness if not understood well.
A well written article. Unfortunately, in traditional Indian Society a woman's social/cultural acceptability is determined
based on her marital status. An unmarried or a widowed woman is considered unsuitable to conduct certain rituals in marriages
or other auspicious occasions.A widowed woman in particular is trated like a social outcast. In some orthodox Hindu families a
widow cannot even wear colourful dress or jewellery and even looking at her is said to bring "bad luck". And of course , no
such restriction for a widower. Through all these crude practices we have created a value system that deifies men - and
women pray for their long life in order to have their cultural acceptability in the Society.
When it comes to gender inequality people have a tendency to blame religion and festivals. I mean I don't see a point in pointing out things and neglect the others. I belong to a rural family but I was told touch the feet of girls (5-10 years) and it was part of the event and I did that my father was doing it and my mother too. I mean how can we forget such events. Actually with 'modernization' of families we are celebrating only few of these festivals. So religious practices are not a problem the lack of knowledge is...
In simpler words - This society is pretty much medieval, intolerant,
hypocritical, and uncivilized! Only Sita had to walk through the fire;
Draupadi was sexually assaulted in the presence of Kings!
Let's accept this rather than bragging on 5000 years of sanskriti and
sabhyata, and being an ostrich with its head buried thinking that all
evils come from Western Societies. Acceptance of a problem is the
first step to solving it!
And for the JOKERS of the mainland who think North-East is backward,
there's a lot that you guys have to learn from the Khasi, Manipuri,
Mizo, and Kuki society. Concrete and BMWs does not mean development!
Unfortunate, but given a choice before birth, I would NOT choose
India.
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