Interview with Vineet Joshi, Chairman, Central Board of Secondary Education.
The Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE) is bringing about major reforms in the process of assessment of students, including the introduction of the Continuous and Comprehensive Evaluation (CCE) scheme. This school-based system of evaluation seeks to cover all aspects of a student's development. In the context of the ongoing process,
Vineet Joshi, Chairman and Chief Vigilance Officer of the CBSE, seeks to explain and clarify the extent, nature and significance of the changes, and the challenges the Board has faced along the way in conceiving and introducing the new matrix, in this interview he gave
Aarti Dhar in New Delhi. Excerpts.
Could you provide broad details of the reforms the CBSE has initiated?
We've started implementing the reforms. The initial responses have been encouraging, but there's still a long way to go. It's just a first step of bold reforms in Class I to Class VIII, making the Board examinations optional in Class X and shifting from the marking system to the grading system.
This needs to be followed up with more options being given to students of Class XI and XII, to ensure that every student is able to do whatever he or she is good at and enjoys doing.
The CCE guidelines describe ‘continuous' in terms of regular assessments, frequency of unit-testing, analysis of learning gaps, applying corrective measures, retesting and giving feedback to teachers and students for their self-evaluation. ‘Comprehensive,' on the other hand, attempts to cover both the scholastic and co-scholastic aspects of a student's growth and development. Both these aspects of the evaluation process are assessed through formative and summative assessments from Class VI to Class X.
What are the options you plan to give Class XI and XII students?
Options in terms of more electives. Earlier, it was enough if you gave them a choice in science, arts and commerce. But in the changed scenario, not only are these three subjects opening up but there is vast scope in newer fields such as Media Studies, Design, Retailing and Logistics.
On the recent reforms, there has been some amount of controversy, confusion and anxiety. How do you intend to address these?
Our approach has been to be as communicative as possible, to ensure that the students understand the spirit behind the changes. In the process of this interaction we, too, have stumbled upon solutions to some of our problems. In the future also we will continue to focus on better communication so that things are clear to people. All that we're trying to tell people is that this [the CCE] is a better system of assessment than the earlier one, which was unilateral. This is multilateral.
Do the changes mean a shrinkage of the role of the CBSE and the State Boards?
I wouldn't say shrinking; it's a change of role. Until now we were setting the question papers.
Now we'll focus more on teacher-training, to empower them [teachers] to send formative assessments of students and do summative assessments in the best possible way to de-stress the child. Our role will see a change. In any case, as a regulator of quality we'll always have an important role. We've to ensure that the quality of assessment and education is maintained.
Will that also mean the introduction of career counselling in the near future?
One of the ideas of the CCE is to inform parents about the strengths and weaknesses of students. Naturally, it needs to be followed in the schools with teachers and students so that when they make a career choice they do not ignore the indicators that come through the CCE assessments.
It's a natural corollary, then, that schools will now be encouraged to tell a student that when deciding on his or her career it should be on the basis of aptitude and interest and not only on the basis of marks.
How is the response to the proposal for the aptitude test?
There is a provision for an optional aptitude test in Class X. Of the 10 lakh students in Class X, some 2.5 lakh opted for the examination that was held on January 22. The idea here is not to give a test but to start a debate inside homes and schools that one should choose a career based on concrete evidence that is available.
What has been the response to the optional Class X Board?
The response has been very good and encouraging for us.
Of the students who had the option to write the examination, about 67 per cent have opted for school assessment and the remaining for Board-based assessment. Of the 33 per cent, there were students who had to opt for the test compulsorily.
Do you think that students and teachers have sometimes felt they did not understand the new assessment system, particularly in rural areas?
We've started going to the cities which are far-off, where we expect that a teacher may not be motivated enough or well-informed. As time passes, there is more information- sharing, there is more dialogue. And more and more people do understand that this is a better system.
Is it a flexible system?
The beauty of the CCE is that it's highly flexible. In the earlier system, the Board examinations had to start on a particular day and end on a particular day; there is flexibility now. Schools can prepare their own question papers and choose dates for examinations eventually.
Right now we're giving a window initially by asking them to send their question papers to us — not for approval, but to ensure that a minimum standard of education is maintained and that there is some minimum respectable teaching happening inside the classroom and that a student's performance in class is also given adequate weightage. They can pick up our question papers, mix and match, and even prepare their own papers.
When will the final changes come?
When we win the trust of the parents in the system, and a majority of the schools are ready to take up the new responsibility. At present there's still an element of doubt among the parents, but once the first batch passes out, confidence will build up. The new system takes into account everyone's aspirations. The system has brought assessment closer to the context, and it's trying to integrate assessment with teaching.
The teacher now has a very crucial role. In the existing system, when a child passed out from school, whether he had learnt anything or not could not be known. There are students who can pass examinations very easily but learn nothing. In the opposite situation, a child may be able to put his learning in the right context but is unable to pass a short examination. Now everyone is involved — students, teachers and parents.
This change in the assessment system must have been a challenging exercise. Convincing parents, teachers and students must have been difficult.
It was. We did not have a readymade scheme to offer. We discussed it with the stakeholders, went around the country, held meetings with teachers, students, principals and academicians. This was followed by a quick SMS survey… The scheme was announced in August 2009. This was followed by teacher-training. This year we are mentoring and monitoring the process.
How useful has been your helpline in the changed situation?
There is a constant Web-based interaction going on. In the past six months we've received about 6,000 queries and this helps us to get to know of any impending problem that needs to be addressed. It's a two-way thing — on the one hand it informs us of the queries of the parents and on the other we get to know of problems.
Do you have any message for students?
Every student writing the Class X examination in a few weeks from now should be happy that he or she is part of the change that the CBSE is doing. I'm sure they will feel proud to become the first batch to have come out of the new system. As of now some of them might be feeling slightly perturbed, but when they look back eventually, they will do so with a sense of pride.
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The CBSE board is trying its best to bring about much needed changes in Education system of our Country. It can be successful only with the support of Parents, students and Teachers. Change is not easy, but is required to equip the younger generation with skills needed to face the global market.
A certain percentage of the marks is given for students behavior under the new pattern. In one the Chennai CBSE school, a teacher has not completed the portions in Maths and Science. Both the parents and students are scared to lodge a complaint to the school Principal because the teacher may reduce marks or target children in their behavioral assessment.
If what has triggered these reformations is the concern towards releasing the examination pressure, is there a harm in sharing the questions - that are going to be asked to evaluate students - with the students well at beginning of the academic year? Why not concentrate on the application of knowledge than measuring whether students are good at memorising laws and theorem without much of practical knowledge on how they can be applied? Mr Joshi has lot of explaining to do.
CBSE has clearly bitten off more than it can chew. While I cannot say anything about the Southern scene, CCE has received a lukewarm response in the North from the parents, teachers and students. Students feel that there is more burden on them now that they have to work extra time to complete their projects and assignments. Despite frequent reminders to confine these activities to classrooms, teachers routinely set assignments to be completed at home. CBSE has not made the assignment manuals available to the teachers. Hence the assignments given to the students have little bearing on the course content. And many principals, distrustful of CCE, still conduct written tests in place of Formative Assessments. CBSE has hardly done any monitoring either to check such practices or to ensure that CCE is implemented in letter and spirit. Most teachers have not been trained for CCE. The co-scholastic grades are awarded without any systematic assessment. All this has reduced CCE to a farce. CBSE needs more manpower and resources to carry out such a mammoth task. In the absence of that, they should have introduced the reforms in small doses. One look at the English text book of Standard IX (Communicative) will show that CBSE is ill-equipped to carry out the reforms it has envisaged. Two key stanzas are missing from the poems by Pam Ayres and Kahlil Gibran in the literature Reader. A story by O Henry (not at all suitable for the Indian students) has been abridged in the most amatuerish manner. The book abounds in grammatical and spelling errors. It was the same with the question papers prepared by the Board for Summative Assessment I in class IX and X. What baffles me most is that the Media has ignored all these failings and continues to shower praises on the reforms.
Earlier days what we learnt was, what was taught by the teachers.But now in the name making children do projects and assignments the children are compelled to gain knowledge from the computer which without proper guidance will lead the children to go astray especially when they are as young as 13 to 17.Any sensible parent will see that they do project so that his or her child get the maximum grade as well save the child from being in front of the computer.Children are given group work which is supposed to be done at school but is never done at school. The children join together in some child's house and do what has to be done in school.So now it is now double the burden on the parents especially the working ones as they have monitor the child when in front of the computer as well as when they go to other childs house for practice.It is more writing assignments and doing projects more than studying what is prescribed for them.
Take a comparision between TN matric syllabus and CBSE syllabus, now TN matric syllabus is far better than CBSE. Students from TN matriculation schools learn better than CBSE schools. CBSE has to look into this.
With the continuous assessment and a final Summative Assessment (SA2), it makes class XII less of a gamble for the students. In the earlier system if a student, who is consistently performing right up to the final exam, has an off day, his entire career get into jeopardy. The new system from CBSE takes that uncertainity off the students. With 60% credit to continuous assessment, students who are consistent in their academics tend to benefit and ideally that is a better evaluation system.
However, there is a caveat. This will leave a lot to the school and teachers. Chances of bias, prejudice, leniency etc are likely to devalue the continuous assessment. The CBSE should ensure that all schools educate their teachers on the importance of objective and impartial evaluation.
I welcome the reformation steps that CBSE is initiating however with many a apprehension. Will CCE be really enabling CONTINUOUS and COMPREHENSIVE assesment? I have seen gaps in understanding on the new initiatives among the teaching community. Creating awareness and providing basic training to teachers and the officers in education department does not seem to have happened to the levels expected. In a system wherein govts and ministers change their priorities and roles - will there be enough stress on the CCE?
While this is a welcome step by CBSE in line with Global Education System, CBSE should keep it in mind how practical to bring in fair CCE process in every school. In my opionion, giving all powers to school teachers (most of the teachers in India are mood based due to domestic and social pressures & commitments; resulting in taking wrong route of corruption and favouritism) might end up in doing favours to known and favourable students. Therefore, a centralised counter check measures to check the CCE process in every school is a must.
CBSE is taking a great step. Exams just add fear and through fear we can't reach the goal of educated society. The vision with which Gandhi, Krishnamurthi, Tagore & Aurobindo left us is somewhere taking a real shape slowly-slowly.
I have failed to understand the merits and demerits of the system and what is the objective. The parents are still in a dark about this experiment. Well every change is for better or equal opportunity, lets hope the best.
the present system is not very encouraging since the teachers work pressure will be more than the students. the teachers have to work continuously without any break. whereas in old system the students must learn to do hard work from a particular age when they are in school at their young age. the spirit of reading, writing is coming down slowly. any i am not very happy with the present change.
Yes these changes are for good.It is indeed nice to see the Indian education is is undergoing this paradigm shift.But it also important for all educational institutions to help the teachers understand this first -even before it is implemented in schools so that the when the transition happens so smoothly that parents do not feel the stress.This can happen only if teachers are not left to grope in the dark each time such positive things are adopted by CBCSE.
I only think, we are paving way for our children to become dumbs by removing the 'exam' fear which is necessary for their age. Freedom and Choice when not used in their true spirit, which the children (at least until Class V) do not understand, will only have negative impacts. Are people, including Mr. Joshi, who might have studied under the old pattern, not doing well?
There is a major flaw in this system. It places way too much power in the hands of the immediate teacher. If the teacher is happy with the student, "all is well", otherwise he can totally spoil student's career and life. Teachers would never be able to make an objective evaluation as they did while checking board exam papers (when they had never met the students).
It's really a great plan.......just ensure quality of conceptual education be maintained.......then it will surely rock.........
Generally School/College Education prepares the children to take up a job after they complete studies. In the process they make their employers rich. They end up in rat race keep working ,getting pay check,borrow and become permanet debtors. When CBSE takes up major change in the System,which is wlecome, they can include financial education which will prepare them to face the World with confidence.
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