The substitution of one man for the people, and the reduction of the people's role merely to being supporters and cheerleaders for one man's actions, is antithetical to democracy.
The Central government's flip-flops on Anna Hazare are obvious: it went from abusing him (through the Congress spokesperson) for sheltering corruption, to extolling him for his idealism; from arresting him, without any justification, and getting him remanded to judicial custody for a week, to releasing him within a few hours. But the Anna group's flip-flops are no less striking: it moves from “we-have-a-democratic-right-to-protest-and-place-our-views-in-public,” which is an unexceptionable proposition, to “Anna-will-keep-fasting-until-his-bill-is-adopted-or-amended-with-his-permission,” which amounts to holding a gun to the head of the Centre, and by implication of Parliament, and dictating that the bill it has produced must be passed, or else mayhem will follow. The government's flip-flops are indicative of incompetence; the Anna group's flip-flops arise because of the compulsions of a particular style of politics on which it is embarked, which can be called “messianism” and which is fundamentally anti-democratic. The fact that it is striking a chord among the people, if at all it is (one cannot entirely trust the media on this), should be a source of serious concern, for it underscores the pre-modernity of our society and the shallowness of the roots of our democracy.
Democracy essentially means a subject role for the people in shaping the affairs of society. They not only elect representatives periodically to the legislature, but intervene actively through protests, strikes, meetings, and demonstrations to convey their mood to the elected representatives. There being no single mood, freedom of expression ensures that different moods have a chance to be expressed, provided the manner of doing so takes the debate forward instead of foreclosing it. For all this to happen, people have to be properly informed. The role of public meetings where leaders explain issues, and of media reports, articles, and discussions, is to ensure that they are. The whole exercise is meant to promote the subject role of the people, and the leaders are facilitators. Even charismatic leaders do not substitute themselves for the people; they are charismatic because the people, in acquiring information to play their subject role, trust what they say.
Messianism substitutes the collective subject, the people, by an individual subject, the messiah. The people may participate in large numbers, and with great enthusiasm and support, in the activities undertaken by the messiah, as they are doing reportedly at Anna Hazare's fast at the Ramlila grounds, but they do so as spectators. The action is of the messiah; the people are only enthusiastic and partisan supporters and cheerleaders. If at all they ever undertake any action on the side, this is entirely at the messiah's bidding, its ethics, rationale and legitimacy never explained to them (no need is felt for doing so); whenever they march they march only in support of the messiah, not for specific demands that they have internalised and feel passionately about. When they gather at the Ramlila grounds, for instance, the occasion is not used to enlighten them, to bring home to them the nuances of the differences between the government's Lokpal Bill and the Jan Lokpal Bill, so that they could act with discrimination and understanding. On the contrary, the idea is to whip up enthusiasm among them without enlightening them, through the use of meaningless hyperbole like “the government's bill is meant not for the prevention but for the promotion of corruption”, and “Anna is India and India is Anna”. If the venue was one where discussions, debates, and informative speeches were taking place, the matter would be different, but those alas have no place in the political activity around messianism.
Informative speeches have been the traditional staple of political activity in India. Maulana Bhashani, a popular peasant leader in what is now Bangladesh, used to give marathon speeches that were interrupted when people went home for lunch or dinner, or even for a night's rest, and resumed when they re-assembled afterwards; and the speeches contained much information about everything, not just politics but even crop-sowing practices and the best means of irrigation. A speech was virtually a set of classes; it had an educative role. I myself have heard election speeches in West Bengal by the inimitable Jyoti Basu, and also others. The speeches were based on solid homework, and conveyed information and argument to the audience. They also sought to rebut what was being said by the opponents, and hence carried forward a debate in public. Political activity of this kind assumed a subject role of the people and prepared them for it; it was quintessentially democratic. Messianic political activity does no such thing; it quintessentially creates a spectacle, not just for the audience but above all for the TV cameras upon whose presence it is crucially dependent.
I am not concerned here with whether the Jan Lokpal Bill is the best piece of legislation on the subject; nor am I concerned with the possible RSS links of the Anna campaign. These issues, though important, are not germane to my argument. My concern is with the “dumbing down” of the people that messianic political activity entails: “leave things to Anna but do come to cheer him.” Just as in a potboiler Hindi film the hero single-handedly does all the fighting required to rid the locale of villainous elements, messianic activity leaves all the fighting, that is, the subject role, to the messiah. The people stand around with sympathy, and cheer. When the Anna group announces that he will take up issues like land reforms, corporate land grab, and commercialisation of education, once his fight against corruption is over, one almost feels that Shekhar Kapoor's “Mr. India” has finally arrived on the scene! The problem, however, is that “Mr. India” is a negation of democracy; and relying upon “Mr. India”, like relying upon the arrival of an incarnation of Vishnu to cleanse the world of evil, is a throwback to our pre-modernity. It is not just an admission of a state of powerlessness of the people that may prevail at the moment; it reinforces that powerlessness.
Messianism is fundamentally anti-democratic because it is complicit in this objectification of the people, this self-fulfilling portrayal of them as dumb objects that need a messiah. When the Anna group uses the term “people” as a substitute for itself (referring to its own bill as “the people's bill,” its own views as the “people's views”), it is implicitly carrying out a conceptual coup d'etat, namely, that messianism is democracy! But quite apart from the fact that the messiah is not elected by the people, a point made by many, there is the basic point that nobody, whether elected or not, can substitute for the people in a democracy.
This presumption, however, explains the flip-flops made by the Anna group. If Anna is the people, then democracy, where the people are supreme, demands that his version of the bill must be accepted over any other version, including what the parliamentary Standing Committee may come to formulate. The people's supremacy over Parliament entails ipso facto Anna's supremacy over Parliament. Messianism necessarily implies an “Anna's-bill-has-got-to-be-adopted” position. Members of Anna's group, many of whom have been associated for long with people's causes, may have occasional discomfort with this messianic position, and may retreat to a “we-are-only-exercising-our-democratic-rights” stance; but since they do not repudiate the messianic position, they perforce come back to the “Anna-is-the-people-and-hence-supreme” stance. To accept that Anna's version of the bill is only one of many possible versions, which the final bill could draw upon, amounts to seeing Anna as one among equals, and not as the messiah, that is, to an abandonment of messianism; the Anna group is loath to do this. “Negotiations” with the government therefore come to mean negotiations to make it accept Anna's version; “compromise” comes to mean a compromise that makes Anna's version final.
It may be asked: if the people prefer “messianism” to “democracy,” then what is wrong with it? Those thronging the Ramlila grounds or marching in support of Anna in the metros are not necessarily “the people” of the country, and it is dangerous to take the two as identical. Besides, even if a majority of the people genuinely wish at a particular time to elevate a messiah over Parliament, this is no reason to alter the constitutional order, just as a majority wishing to abandon secularism at a particular time is no reason to do so. The Constitution is the social contract upon which the Indian state is founded, and it cannot be overturned by the wishes of a majority at a particular time. If perchance the government accepts messianism out of expediency, it would be violating the spirit of the Constitution and undermining democracy. Besides, any such licence will make multiple (quasi-religious) messiahs sprout, who would compete and collude, as oligopolists do in the markets for goods, to keep people in thralldom.
(Prabhat Patnaik recently retired from the Sukhamoy Chakravarty Chair at the Centre for Economic Studies and Planning, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi.)


Comments:
Patnaik is right - in accepting a messiah a government would be violating the spirit of the Constitution and undermining democracy. Point is - the current protesters suggest that they no longer believe in the democracy that has been thrust on them. The social contract is no longer valid. Is history being made a la' the overthrow of the British rule ? Yes. Another point Patnaik fails to understand and address is that our Constitution does not prescribe a course that allows the people to recall the government or an elected representative before the end of the elected term. If this Congress government takes a referendum on this issue or resigns the crisis will end. Patnaik's defense of the Constitution may well be breached ; democracy in its truest sense would have earned a victory !
I wonder if the current elected members are true representative of people? Take it statistically: out of 100 voters, only 80 cast votes. The candidate, with 35 votes, wins over others having a sum of 45. Isn't it a limitation of democracy? Moreover, Don't your consciousness says that Anna is representing a lager voice of India. Even if the illiterate people were explained the cause, they would support. Despite your expertize, your definitions of democracy are too swallow.
I don't have enough words to Explain, A very well compiled article. I am proud to be a reader of 'The Hindu'. All the points are well put, team anna should read this article and give it a good thought on their loath ways of moving forward. Though I am totally for the cause, the means used are questionable indeed. I hope Shri.Anna Hazare goes beyond janlokpal, upholding the constitution. However, I fail to understand how can a set of people then have their Demand fullfilled, when the governments makes promises and faults them regularly, meaning its been 65 years we don't have any lokpal yet. How will a citizen believe in the government..?
If democracy represents itself through symbols only like parliament,executive etc.in whatever manner they act,your article is acceptable.India devoted in GANDHI JI,one man,was that undemocratic.
Great article. This is what the mob doesn't understand. Anna's crusade is not good for a democratic India. Let him stand for elections, let the 'people' elect him, let him go through the parliamentary process. That will sure help India. What is going on currently is taking a democratically elected government hostage.
You began this essay by pointing out the similarities between the government and the Hazare camp, but your thesis is not taken to its logical conclusion. The messianism of the Hazare camp is matched by the messianism of the party in government. Congress' blind following of the Gandhi-Nehru dynasty's current face, Sonia, is a far worse form of messianism because it is institutionalized. When a political force arises in opposition to the anti-democratic congress party, surely you cannot expect anything better. In fact, Hazare understands the congress's anti-democracy better than anyone else does. So, his strategy triumphs, time and again. The sad part is intellectuals like you come out of the wood works to declare the anti-democracy of messianism only when it opportunistically suits you.
People resort to Messianism when they perceive everything else fails. I think, sir, you failed to touch upon why people resort to such a thing when they know there is a much straighter way called the democratic process. It is the failure of the democratic process that is causing this. The people of the country lost trust in the members of the parliament. The very people who are elected to represent the sentiments of the people. If anything, the govt should analyze the loss of trust and work on it. Gain the trust of the people. I am sure people will not resort to Messianism if the trust is there.
Being forced to vote and pick one set of corrupt thugs from among a set of mostly-thugs (with a few exceptions here and there) - is this democracy, and will it help clear corruption? We have tried to vote out incumbent govts, only to get equally-corrupt parties in power! Democracy works when only good or mostly good, well-qualified candidates stand for election and compete against each other and get voted in after a hard, tough qualification process. And then work under a set of laws that bind them as tightly as the average citizen. In India, we have a large illiterate set of people, some of whom are bought over by liquor and freebies, a larger set of apathetic voters I don't believe in voting for a party that is just the best among the worst. So, what other route is there for the disappointed Indian today to challenge the corrupt status quo than Messianism? Can you name even one? And why do you think the common man doesn't understand what is going on? Being elitist, are we?
No need to concern. People are well informed and they don't need lectures on democracy. The government has to see the large number of 'cheer leaders' to see the support for the movement. To say those who are marching in support of Anna are not necessarily 'the people' of the country, then who are they? May be from the planet of Apes? People whose background is in economics are better served by informing the public the economic damage caused to their families by the corruption.
I fail to understand these intellectuals view.Either they are too intelligent or too unconnected with the common man. They think all these people who are on the streets are either illiterate, uneducated or fools. These mould of people were there before independence also, who were known as elite and intellectuals that time and were patronized by English government.Had it been these people India would have never got Independence.Let me tell these so called intellectuals that these people are not behind any messiah.They are very much aware about the demands they are making. These people are not going to gain( Team Anna)if the demand are met. Off course these political class people have so much at stake.Its not the same democracy which we thought of. Today not a single representative in parliament is there because he is a popular and able leader but because he is very affluent and rich and elected because of money and muscle power.
I totally support the author's views and am deeply disturbed by the frenzy thats caught up the nation. It's said that everyone loves a benevolent dictator and this idea of 'messianism' is fraught with disastrous consequences to the greatest and most cherished ideals of our nation,which is, democracy.
Dear Hindu, Please do not kill the peoples movement systematically(Second freedom struggle).Off late we are seeing articles criticizing Anna's fast in Hindu.We agree that in a democracy Parliament is supreme, but our democracy needs some tinkering.In the name of democracy and parlaiment supremacy, we cannot let the corruptions by the elected members unchecked.Given the level of poverty and corruption prevalence in the nation,it will cause no more harm to encourage Team Anna to create a powerful watch dog that might reduce the level of corruption in the nation.The citizens led by Anna took this extreme step when the so called supreme parliament stood mute to the audacity of the politician resulting in billions of dollars loss to the exchequer. There is nothing wrong in changing the constitution and the government functioning to provide effective governance without sacrificing peoples fundamental rights(Lot other countries did amend their constitution as required)
Finally, a sane voice in the midst of this overly optimistic atmosphere. The point about the People being the subjects rather than spectators is well taken. However, in a country that lifts Bollywood stars and cricket players to ever higher places, it is no wonder that people are looking up to Anna as a savior. For the People to become proactive in a democracy, they must be informed about the issues and must feel a sense of agency. Neither of which are prevalent in the current climate. The onus is on the media, especially the print press to do its prescribed duty of unbiased journalism in the interest of the greater good of the People. This is the only way to reach a mass audience with sensible and logical arguments.
Very good analysis. We need thinkers like him to come out and speak out boldly. It is sad that people who do not support the Jan Lokpal version are termed 'traitors'. We should not loose perspective. Hero worship and accepting things blindly is only detrimental to our country.
Brilliant, as usual. Prof. Patnaik brings forth the fundamentally undemocratic character of the movement that the media has been projecting as a 'Second Freedom Struggle'. The movement in fact repudiates the spirit of the Freedom Struggle, which gave rise to the social contract that underlies the Indian constitution and the Indian state. Secularism, egalitarianism, opposition to caste and gender discrimination, support for democratic arrangements, for civil liberties and political rights are integral parts of this social contract. These values cannot and must not be replaced by messianism and hero-worship.
The author must be kidding. History teaches that most of the mass movement,revolution had a Messiah on whose path the people followed.Even the reverred mahatma was treated as a messiah during our freedom struggle.Mahatma too was admant and not everyone accepted his demands.People will and always treat their leader as messiah and will worship them. It happened with all the major political leaders here at India and the constitution paved way for the collectiveness of the messiahs under an umbrella. The parties like DMK,ADMK were thriving because of their Messiahs Anna,MGR respectively and they found their voice in the parliament.
I think intellectuals are underestimating people's understanding of limited role of Anna Hazare. People are behind Anna Hazare not because they think he will rid us of all our problems. It is because they wanted someone to raise voice against corruption. It happened to be Anna. Fullstop. People are just using him to communicate to UPA that people have had enough. Today in all spheres of life, Anna issue is debated and beleive me understanding of situation of common people is better than many politicians, intellectuals and media barons. Indian public though may not be very knowledgable of nuances of democracy, it certainly knows where to draw the line. Fate of Indira Gandhi, Lalu prasad Yadav, Karunanidhi etc are few cases that are testimony to this. If majority of provisions of jan lokpal bill are dropped after sincere discussion in parliament and Anna still insists on his version of bill, I am sure he would not be able to garner support to the scale we are seeing now.
Various shades of fascism and communal fascism have risen to power in various parts of the world following what seemed like 'popular' movements. They indeed enjoyed substantial support among the people at those point of time, but that turned out to be short-lived. The Germans came to regret their support to the Nazis. Therefore to take the support enjoyed by Anna's movement today cannot be a justification for the toppling of the constitutional order. Our freedom was hard-won. It cannot be sacrificed for elevating tyrants above our heads.
Every word in the article except for the last paragraph, is to be supported in principle. The writer went into not-happening cases of secular-majority-constitution issue, there is no majority support for these cases that can consume many cities across the country. The case here is genuine, India against corruption and hence the support from the 'people of the country coming on metros'. how can you say they are not necessarily the people of the country ? the better way of supporting the worrying question : what's wrong if messianism is preferred over democracy ? is to show the vulnerabilities of it. But, the writer should also note the dynamics of mass movements, people support ideologies, not just those who fast. India and Anna and Anna is India has to be condemned, but people are not at fault. May be , we are calling for a cultural revolution ? Thanks for the ideas, they are indeed enlightening.
I find this too harsh.Firstly, one has to accept that "Anna Movement" has spurred govt to act on passing Lokpal Bill that has been lying since last 40 years. Secondly, When a good number of educated, enlightened people well aware of both the drafts are joining the protests; and Team Anna too has conducted surveys in various locations of the country circulating both Sarkari and Jan Lokpal draft, How can you call this messianism which in my view should rather be called a democratic peaceful protest organised for a good cause. Thirdly, If one looks at the lackadaisical manner this govt has been functioning for past few years, a kind of urgency seems inevitable to get things done. I feel that even team Anna must be ready for a compromise on duration to get the bill passed or few provisions for that matter but it is the nature of this govt that if you want 6 you need to ask for 10.
I absolutely agree with this article.Reason takes flight against a 'worship complex'that we Indians suffer from.
Agreed with the above expressed views.It is true that most of the people who thronged the street in Anna's support are unawre of the differences between the two version of the bills. So it's true not to promote the messianism where democracy must champion. and rightly said that messianism is against the spirit of constitution, which is the citadel of a democracy.
This article and the rest of the articles from the so called intellectual class are rich on semantics but lack zero substance. U are right when you say that constitution is a contract but the sacred contract has been violated time and again by the ruling class since independence. The MP who disappears after getting elected, votes after taking cash, doesn't consult with his constituents on burning issues are not a sign of parliamentary democracy but ineffect an oligarchy. Once in a while the nations collective conscious is pricked and they come out on to the streat to express their frustration. It is appalling that the people sitting in ivory towers like this author can't feel the beat of the nation.
Author's conclusion "The Constitution is the social contract upon which the Indian state is founded, and it cannot be overturned by the wishes of a majority at a particular time" is ill-founded. Does constitution explicitly say that criminals and history sheeters elected backed by money and muscle power can make laws of the country? Founding fathers of constitution never thought that Congress will use democracy and design the mechanism of election process such that congress can do and undo anything, win the election, oust the opposition govenment, defeat no-confidence motion, perpeptuate scams and scandals, appoint CAG, CVC, CBI, Election Commission, regulatory & development authority and rule the country like monarch. With the instant response of Nehru to Rammanohar Lohia that corruption is in other countries too, the seed of corruption grew as a robust plant during Indira Gandhi's tenure and now it became banyan tree. Country should now change election process drastically.
Mr. Patnaik Please explain me that why don't we disregard the contribution of Shaheed Bhagat Singh? someone can say that he was involved in a henious crime of murder which is unacceptable in any form of society and considering him a martyr would set a bad precendent and people might attempt killing govt official to overthrow the govt.? The answer to this question is that we consider Bhagat Singh as martyr and disregard his act of Murder because he was working for a greater cause called 'Freedom' and teach our kids to be like Bhagat Singh. So dear Mr. Patnaik, corruption is a much greater cause and Anna is just a face of the struggle. Supporting Anna is not going to set any bad precedent (just like Bhagat Singh) instead it is enlightening the people of India against this menance.
While I appreciate the take by the author, its surprising that he believes that people are agitating only to show their support for Anna, as a messiah, and are not really interested in other things. One must understand that this outcry, though not spontaneous, is the result of deep frustration held within each and every individual in our society, on a multitude of issues. And everyone of us, is well aware that if the same is left to the government, they'll keep discussing, debating and deliberating, without any concrete action, or may be a half hearted , unwilling , vote bank appeasing job.
Mr. Patnaik, What is so democratic about how Congress party functions? People with no mandate hold the reigns of power there too. Organizational elections are not held at all, and when they are opponents are browbeaten by the royal family. Corruption has eaten the core of India for the last 64 years and congress has been at the forefront of it all. I think your objections are misplaced. It is not about Anna, it is about a cause. Anna just happens to be a popular leader who chose corruption as his cause. Your contempt for the common man is not warranted. We have had enough of chalta hai attitude, time for change.
Dr. Patnaik: I agree completely with your analysis. The question that comes to mind though is what if Indian society is in fact politically pre-modern? The entrenched pattern of dynastic rule does seem to suggest that. What are the implications if that proposition is accepted? Clearly it cannot be willed into modernity and a premature modern superstructure can lead to many anomalies.
Same treat of people and the respect for the unrepresented ones holds equally good for democracy (rather oligarchy which passes off under the garb of democracy in India). And, anyway, what, who decided that Democracy was *THE* best form of governance. The ability to critically inspect democracy to remove it's fault lines and improve, mutate and generate a fundamentally progressive and inclusive concept of governance is lost (not just in India, but all over the world). Democracy (that's already Oligarchy in India) will give rise to Anarchy; and this will lead back to Republican-ism where common-sense based laws and natural laws will become the ultimate tenets of governance. That, of course, is my infantile and naive opinion.
Interesting article on democracy. What is the difference in methods adopted by anna and kcr
Mr. Prabhat Patnaik, your article is very informative in an academical discourse. Messianism in certain sense also born along with the existence of mankind and it will continue as long as mankind survives in this planet. Messianism is also prevalent in the animal-kingdom (living in groups). So messianism in certain sense one can interpret also a part of a society, in a group not each and every individual is aware of their needs and deeds, so one individual due to his extraordinary power takes the lead and keep the group in one. All the world religions (I am not sure about Hinduism) exist through messiahs. In theory you are right messianism is fundamentally anti-democratic. History tells us that all revolutions starting with French to India's independence movement started with messiahs (India it is Gandhi). If we go deeper as you did one man one vote is also not correct, in England the adult franchise came after long discussion because the minority argument was that even though majority of the voters may not be sensible but the elected members know their duties. Majority of the population was aware of their sufferings and they were waiting for somebody to lead for decades thus came Anna's anti-corruption movement. Secondly Anna's-team some 5 people who possess sound knowledge in constitutional laws and judiciary system more than the govt. ministers. What I read and heard in the last months a good portion of our parliamentarians also not well versed in law-making or the sensitivity to understand the 'volk-zorn' (folks anger). Without Anna's messianism the common man's day to day sufferings will never take an end. Actually speaking 'Volks-referandum' like in Switzerland is some what nearer to democracy.
Democracy can become weak when the people in power do not act for the interest of the people. This is the binding thread of democracy which has been weakened in almost its every implementation around the world. Democracy and political leaderchip had lot of meaning when leaders like Mahatma Gandhi, Lal Bahadur Sastri,SV Patel.. etc were among them. Any government has to be for the benevolence of people. When people decide it is not in their benevolence they will take to protest whether it is India, Middle east (or) west. Perhaps a messiah is required for stregthening the bonds of democracy and give a much needed shock to the people in power as to what their duties are and how they should act individually and collectively.
Insightful article amidst the mob frenzy among some sections of urban middle class in India. In a democratic India, Anna can start a political party and explain his strategies and policies for the country to get rid of all the evils he and his team says created by government (particularly by the current government. If one is to believe the media frenzy which currently is trying to portray that 100% of people in India are supporting Anna Hazare, he will win the elctions hands down. Then he can go on to pass any number of bills. Annaji, that is the way democracy works. So, please finish your fast and start action. I will be among the scores of first millions to join you, if you show your belief in democratic India.
When popular upsurge results in a new government with absolute majority for a single party the leader of the party becomes the messiah.In democracy people look to one messiah or the other from time to time.Messiahs are not constant. At least that has been the plight of this country ever since the British occupied it.Do you want to replace this with a bloody coup or run battles on the street?
These days it seems like most 'intellectuals' have taken to explaining how democracy works and how Anna's movement is not demoratic.....but I wonder where were these people when a man who has never fought a direct election foisted on the country as PM? was that democracy? how come we never heard a demand that the country should only have ministers who have been elected directly by the people as their minister? If today people are taking to the streets then it is because the very institutions which were suppose to support the idea of democracy have been userped by the people who were meant to be these institution's guardian.....so right now it's not a question of democracy but of making these guardians do their job with the fear of conquences if they indulge in corruption...of course what the Anna team does need to answer is who will monitor the Lokpal ?
Does the learned professor believe that India could have got independence without widespread bloodshed from British rule if a messiah like Mahatma Gandhi was not leading the freedom movement? Today its very poor citizens and the middle class are suffering from the misrule of corrupt politicians. Does the professor want these people to leave their fate entirely in the hands of these politicians? Theory sounds good in a classroom, but to the suffering peple in the country it doesn't make sense.
It is this messianism which has created many dictators in the world only to be demonised on a later date.
Mr Patnaik - your attempt to take the classic definition and structure of messianism and then force fit this particular agitation is particularly troubling. The context of the situation - with how the agitation began with the group looking to engage the governement - which then proceeded to not do anything at all cannot be ignored. The very obvious point of a bunch of corrupt politicians and MPs not passing a bill that will impact them negatively is a complete incentive mismatch hence cannot happen without a shock to the system. This bill is a very special situation and an external shock in the form of Anna Hazare and the support that he has is critical to move legislations like this which otherwise have no chance even in a democracy. Finally I will point out that on Ramlila maidan there has been a serious attempt at educating the people about the Jan Lokpal bill through speeches by Mr Kejriwal/pamphlets- the fact that these are emotive/sometimes biased speeches comes with the territory.
However logical your article may sound, sadly, its not going to change much. The govt and opposition have already wider opinions by 'yielding to blackmail'. Now, we can only hope that Anna does not end up being a benevolent dictator.
A brilliant article with which I agree 100% if there is a genuine democracy. But just see how Mr. Karunanidhi moved the Tamil New Year Day to the fist day of 'Thai' and Ms. Jayalalithaa reverted it to the first day of "Chitrai'. Did the people weigh the merits behind these actions? Coming to Anna's Bill, the fact is that corruption in India is so rampant and corrosive that an unusual and spontaneous movement like Anna's may alone produce some positive results. Good that the Government is holding serious parleys with Team Anna.
Mr. Patnaik articultes his opinion vey well, but my question to him is what do you call one person who puts forth the issues that the majority of people aspire to but feel too small or weak to make, yet are happy to follow? I call that one person a Leader! Also in a country where the vast majority of people are either apathetic or ignorant, it is preferred that any person, even if his ideals swing contrary to democartic process, as long as they fight for the betterment of the nation, should be encouraged, not discouraged. One should not forget that social anarchy is way democracy was born - in France or in India. The very fact that there has been an outpouring of support for the cause is itself good signs for the true rejuvination of democracy in India.
Rightly said. We are cheerleaders, or the spectators, of what ANNA would do. Our society has become so habitual to all this that we don't try improve ourselves, rather prefer to point other's misconduct or mistakes, that's why we wont form a party and fight it democratically but would form a group, block roads, go for sticks, halt the systems and just cry for it. We all are corrupt but never want to accept it. We wont use democratic methods to form democracy rather watch a massiah do for us.
Well, our great constitution failed miserably when it comes to handling corruption, It failed to tackle 'license Raj' till 1990 and only Liberalization was able to stop it. This is also wished by any economists (Courtesy present RBI Governor). If we had another Gandhian then we would have got it far before 1991. Same may be the case now and India does not want to wait any more decades when it comes to corruption. If you think that the people who are supporting Anna may not represent the whole nation interests then you are again wrong, needless to say that the other sections of the people have only taken part in sending criminals to the parliament, hence they won't come out now. I wish you are not one among them.
Totally disagree with your statement: "the idea is to whip up enthusiasm among them without enlightening them.." I have been observing the protest and also been to the many events organized by IAC . They have a) Always educated people about what is being sought and why, b)what is the govt take c) Now that there is a third version- even that has been included with discussion of its merits and demerits. The spokespeople and local chapters have held many gatherings to spread information for the cause. Even during the fast every development is documented and communicated both by people making 'Speeches' as you call them as also making charts and posters .Mostly voluntarily put together. All the three versions are also available at every venue. I have no provision here but i will upload images on Facebook which will show you how much trouble is being taken to involve and make people 'informed' participants in the process. Please don't write from the confines of ivory tower.
This is a brilliant perspective about the other side. When the people have been blinded and deafened by slogans of 'anti-corruption', everyone fails to understand that they are actually shaking the foundation of the great institution which was formed 60 years ago. Ultimately, it's yet another 'means to ends' debate...
When the Parliament, executive, judiciary and the adminstrative machinery fail to address and correct the corruption issue, a messiah is needed to awaken the people and tell them about their democratic rights and duties. When an elderly person is ready to lay his life on the line for the common good, the government's response is 'represent in the standing commitee'. This movement will definitely give raise to more movements some for the common good and others for elevating the protoganists to the level of national leaders. This Government like the previous administrations including NDA requires a gun with a short trigger to keep them waliking the right path.
A very well thought out article. I am truly amazed at how ridiculous the methods have been in the Anna protests. A bunch of children (to enhance the effect) should park themselves in front of Anna and go on hunger strike and not eat till Anna does so himself. In an ideal world Anna (and his followers) would then realize how irresponsible and unfair their techniques are, accept their mistake and stop this daft crisis.
sir, hats off...(in My opinion) you have put down the details in a good objective manner, with logical reasons and a good reference to the basics of democracy and its functioning. the sad thing it also brings out is, such mechanism almost always do Succeed in our country...guess life's too short to be getting educated and understanding all details and truth about something, weigh them and then support/oppose it (again,My opinion)... also the fact tht the crowd in ramlila grounds (or any city for that matter) isn't what defines The People...had it been, i guess the protest would have been through a strong turn up for the polls to oust the govt...anyways, really enjoyed reading this article...
An incisive analysis from Prabhat Patanaik. At last rational voices such as those of Patnaik, Aruna Roy, and Nikhil Dey are being heard after an overdose of Team Anna's inflammatory rhetoric. Unfortunately though, Team Anna has become tone deaf to all voices but those that echo theirs. Indeed, they may succeed in using Hazare's fast as a lever to bulldose their way to passing their flawed Janlokpal bill to the detriment of the country.
I have been waiting for a long time for someone to come up with this stance! As patriotic as I am to feel bad about what's going on in my country and corruption, I do not quite like the way the Anna group has taken matters into their own hands, thereby assuming that they are above the People in this democracy. While I gather from the media that 'throngs of people' assemble at the Ramlila grounds to show their 'support'for Anna, I have in these two months, not come across a single person who supports what he is doing or rather the way he is doing it. 'India's second freedom'?! now come on really.
For the past few days I have seen a numerous articles blaming Anna Hazare for everything. For once I did not see what their solution is for the corruption problem. They talked as if its Ok in a democracy to be corrupt and we we can simply wait and watch while even the National security is being compromised because of it. These so called experts interpreting everything in the way they want and are ready to force their opinion ironically talking about democracy. No one is trying to be messiah here. People are asking to take into consideration a few meaningful ideas for the Lokpal bill, which in its current form cannot even register a case without the permission of politicians. People really don't care what these exper'ts backgrounds or educational qualifications, because they feel the pain of corruption, not the expert babus.
Team anna hide nothing from people. They have made both version available.they have compared both.And they are ready for amendments in janlokpal and have not said that their bill is supreme.their and people's only concern is that they don't want the government to escape from bringing the law like any other bill like women reservation bill etc.If ANNA is a MESSIAH ( i.e. he is a wrong person according to the 'author'), let the author suggest a better lokpal using his experience and knowledge.writing and commenting is always easy compared to action.If anna and his supporters are wrong, then let the author design and write a new model to protest.Strangely these days, not only the author, but many 'intellectuals' started to promote this movement as 'anti-national'. But i never heard any one of these doing anything to bring a bill like JANLOKPAL. These 'authors' version is this "OUR SUPPORTERS ARE PEOPLE AND YOUR SUPPORTERS ARE 'FOLLOWERS' ".
Your observation is valid and invalid at the same time. Agreed that 'messianism' is not good for democracy, if democracy is exercised in its purest from (as intended to be used). However, the current ground realities in India are different and very far from that. If you observe closely, each elected representative of our parliament is a messiah, and they act like one. Current democratic system is nothing but a coalition of messiahs. People have lost faith in the system, and that has to be addressed and corrected. Unfortunately, our ruling class is not ready to admit the same, and are looking the other way. I do not support the blackmailing-type-protest going on; but I would say that you cannot ignore the fundamental emotions under the hype and hoopla. Please remember that there are 10 or 100 times people who are not actively participating in the current showdown; but feel that there has to be concrete and assertive actions from the ruling elites. Currently, that is missing.
Anna's fight strikes a chord with all who sincerely champion and practice honesty in their lives. The media has been instrumental in mobilizing the TV and internet savvy. But where are the peasants and workers?
Dear Prabhat Your opinion piece equating the public reaction to Anna Hazare's fast as that of a messiah (the collective messianism)was just the feeling I had as I read about it in distant Melbourne. I recall the CPI (United under S A Dange)demonstrating in Delhi in the late 1950s or early 1960s; it fits your description of democracy. For the Indian TV channels, it appears to be a free 'tamasha'! What is most annoying is Anna's use of Gandhji's name for his essentially populist antics. I hope more people read your comments and behave a little more sensibly. Having said this, I assert that corruption anywhere should not be condoned. It should be revealed and appropiately punished. Melbourne - R C Mascarenhas 24 August 2011
Brilliant, this is what I am trying to tell to readers for a long time. Do not follow just like sheep. In a democratic process, once you have put your thoughts you must leave it the system to get mature . Once matured then nurture for the cause. The way Anna is taking will leave the democratic process in question? The future generation will take this as a weapon. Gandhi used this weapon only to make the people to think about independence and to create collective India. Even several people found flaws in his approach. But there were no other alternatives then. So it worked towards independence. But now applying the same concept to corruption or calling it as 'second freedom struggle' is irrelevant. Now the end game of Anna Hazare's fasting might go in either directions. 1) Team Anna wants him to live 2) The goventment wants him to give up Who is going to win ...no one. Again people are sheeps. In Geeko words: 'Bulls make money. Bears make money. Pigs gets slaughtered'
Messiah is not a worst or false or wrong person. Messiah, according to bible, comes to save his people. Only difference between our messiah and PATNAIK's messiah is that our messiah is undemocratic (according to patnaik).I don't want democracy when messiah saves his people ( well, that is democracy). If messiah come with all his splendour and power according to bible, these 'marxist-leninist' say, 'messiah is U.S.A. based man'. if he comes as a common man, they say 'look he is just looking like a common man and have not wrote any books or held any seat or not our party member or has not got any 'title' like us. so he is anti-democratic'. it's time to burn your books and ideologies all you 'intellectuals' and come to us and reach us. May be fasting or protesting in ramleela is anti-democratic in your views but not in people's view. A supporter might be a vandal in your views, but remember that we are peaceful vandals (who get victimised) and won't harm anyone who oppose us.
Does the writer imagine that India was a proper democracy through a republic system? Does he suppose, that when the voter cast his/her vote that the voter still remained, in any shape or form, powerful? Does the writer believe, that the people behind Anna, are 'dumbed' down for 'merely' supporting Anna? Such elitist, semi-intellectual rhetoric wreaks of corporate or government sponsorship.
An alert piece of writing by Prabhat Patnaik. Sadly, our institutional politics has degraded to lowest ever level and policy makers have ignored people's concern in arrogant manner, leaving the social activists so desperate that they are compelled to chose a populist way, call it messianism or something else, to make govt. listen to their voice. Two bad never make a good. To make the biggest democracy exemplary we should seriously ponder upon the ways which will awaken the masses and make them think rationally, rather than expecting all the solutions from a messiah.
'Mobocracy cannot be a substitute for democracy at any time' well said by Gujarat Law Minister.........i think the citzens who are thinking of the both pros and cons need to unite and protest against this kind of unconstitutional metohds...people need to understand these are the issues beyond just emotions and need serious debate because it will be going to change the structure of democracy in an indirect way....and one can't guess how it will impact our democracy in near future.....need seious and practical thinking..
I commend The Hindu for putting forth all viewpoints over the last few days. Would have been very disappointing if The Hindu too followed the 'if you are not with us, you are against us' philosophy that is so prevalent these days. Of course, the current click-click-click generation needs to cultivate the patience to read all the editorials and opinion columns and imbibe the points of debate. The tendency these days is to follow the TV medium in this country, and as we all see, the TV channels rely on sensationalizing every little thing into a 'breaking news' format. Thanks to Prof. Patnaik for this analysis.
I ask Mr Patnaik that if whatever support Anna is getting from people of India for fighting against corruption is undemocratic then whatever government does in name of democracy is it democratic and justified. Anna at present just symbolises what people of India today expect from the government. It is anger, frustration and disappointment of the people against the government and its administration. Surely there are other issues also but atleast somebody has to come forward and take initiative what team Anna is doing at present. Call it Messianic or anything it is voice of majority of educated and young people. Beside the Jan Lokpal Bill has not been produced overnight. It has been thoroughly debated in media (both print and visual) by leaders of both ruling party and opposition for quite a long time. If Anna has been treated as Messiah for fight against corruption then nobody is complaining because somebody has to do it sooner or later.
Messianism comes when people suffers due to incompetent rulers and no one to sympathise with them. As a whole they r also not able to deal with the day to day problems. Lord Vishnu incarnated when there was no one to challenge the demonic rulers who in turn leave nothing unturned to make the hell of people life's. Anna came when there was none to challenge our corrupt politicians. The intellectuals who are criticizing anna for his methods are just like the critisizm of new idea which polishes it for more refinement. Will this intellectual community who r criticizing anna do anything to stop corruption or they will just invent some new technique for feeding on poor peoples flesh and blood without whose work they they can't even survive. Jai Hind.
Dear Editor, In a vast and complex nation like India, democracy was built on sound principles. We should be proud of this fact. However, democracy is not working as it should, since too many elected representatives are not responsible. In such a scenario, where people are deprived of the services they deserve from their representatives and the country is being looted, there does not seem to be any viable alternative than relying on a trustworthy messiah or martyrs of faith.
While I am agreeing the difference between the democracy and messianism, i want to argue whether democracy is being seriously here or not. The representatives of so called democracy are being elected with minority of total votes and not representing the total group and working for the benefit of the supporters only. No leader is trying to correct this issue and flowing along the wave. Everybody is exhausted and but unable to rise the issues individually because of various socio-economical reasons. And being attracted to these type i.e. so called messianism. The parties also not making any difference who have to take up these type of issues very seriously for the success of the democracy. The Executive became of the pet of these politicians and are sharing the benefits which are supposed to reach the masses. The judiciary became costly and lazy. So the common man goes where? just to support the messiah like Mr. Anna Hazare who is having good credencials of social service.
The relation between the mass and the leader is dialectical. Both are important. They are contributive to each other while being contradictory. One is the negation of the other. But, both co-exist. One has no role without the other. Without a leader the mass will not acquire the mass. It will be as many individuals it constitute and not mass. Leader without the mass support will be yet another individual without any mass. Anna Hazare for being the distinct leader in this particular context is a necessity. It is so, as there is no other way of venting the ire of the mass. Naturally, they find the leader in Anna Hazare. Anna Hazare is able to be such distinct leader only because of his particular nature which makes him dictatorial. Otherwise, none can be in his place in this world of total confusion and chaos created by the capitalist system which is so dynamic to ensure its sustenance, despite being crisis ridden to the core. Prabhat has a point in pointing out the deficiency.
This is an excellent article. I went to delhi last week. I saw many people who were supporting Annaji but without adequate knowledge of what they are supporting. Atleast our Literate section of people should understand the cause and Team Anna should make general public aware of the proper issue.
Hope this paperless promotion of `Messianism` as brilliantly sketched by Professor Prabhat Patnaik is the beginning and not the end. There are no fixed rules for middle class to wake up and collectively decide to support a national movement. Those who get ruled need to revise their control over the Nagar Sevaks(MPs).People are engaged with their own daily survival therefore `short cuts` of outsourcing Messianism is normal. It is the job of the leaders to `filter emotions` out of this War against Corruption.People definitely want more share of opportunity,equal playing field which is only possible by more transparency and lesser corruption. Today`s War against Corruption is to protect the shrinking pockets of poor who also wants to buy good food, good cooking oil and wear good cloths. Real Sale and its increase is the only way to increase Real Production.How long it shall deliver BJP 'rule` instead of rejected Congress in absence of few `Anna`,few Arvind and few kiran bedi needs to be seen ?
Very thoughtful article. But I'm skeptical if it can atleast make the people think who supports Anna just because the cause is noble. Everyone wants to fight against corruption, but in a 120 crore society it is idealistic to dream that a single bill or a group of self proclaimed 'people's society' can indeed cause a change. Sometimes mob or masses doesn't convey the essential support. Netizens are not the ultimate influencing group. The online surveys and exit polls have been proved wrong many times during election times as such media measures fails to recognize the right people and reflect the common man's views. This govt is one in the history with the volume of corruption unimaginably higher than the previous ones. In such a situation, there's a strong feeling of contempt and frustration over the mind of millions, but this movement feels to pick up and exploit the sentiments of the people to fight in a wrong way.
A thought provoking article. The seriousness of Anna's followers is aptly captured by the article's pic itself.
Instead of fighting to make the existing the laws more powerful, there's no use in fighting for a new system in a hurry. Even if there's a lokpal, aren't these following the existing laws to prosecute and execute, which provide millions of loopholes to the corrupt, or Lokpal going to set its own constitution and lawbook?
Very objective and fair observation. Couple of comments: 1. The situation has spiralled into messianism because of, as you mentioned, government's flip-flops. If only they had been sincere and honest from the beginning in attending to this issue, we might have had a discussion (including Aruna Roy's and others viewpoints) and a consolidated bill by this time. The government, consumed in their self-importance, thought that they will handle only the vociferous lot and glide over it. Bad the group turned out to be very determined and it released the bottled up pressure in people. 2. From what I hear and see in the media, Team Anna only wants their version (or a version that does not compromise on its basic principles) to be tabled in the parliament and an effecitve law (open to thier version being modified) be passed within a time frame (again necessisated due to the earlier experience of insincerity and dishonesty of govt.)
Can an eminent person like you sir could get elected in MLA or MP election. This is not representative democracy. People are not heard in courts and government offices and they are running for justice. My dear sir. It is very easy to draw comparison and come out with an article. Anna has taken a stand larger than his life. History remember only those who take a stand for something and offered their lives. His contribution cannot be negated. Look at the positive side. Even, today students got aware about functioning of parliament and compared two bills on Internet. I heard debate on TV one of MP said that Anna Like people came because we failed to take people's issues to parliament. Democracy was also born out protests. There is nothing wrong and supremacy of india lies with people. Protests also helped in generating nationalism and concern for making strong democratic institution.
Mr. Prabhat Patnaik, could you not suggest an alternative approach that the unintelligent population of Great Republic of India should adopt. Are you very comfortable and proud by the fact that our honorable members of parliament have colluded over 40 major frauds and scams in mere 65 years?When a common man loses all hopes, he resorts to MESSIANISM. And you might be aware that team of India Against Corruption is always open to debate/discuss the bill publicly, I request you to please take some pain to go to Ramlila Maidan and convey your differences on the Bill to the 'core team'. I hope either they will satisfy you or they will change their opinion. If the point which they are raising is principally correct then there is no problem to go either with Messianism or with democracy. Final aim should be to get the strong regulation which hinders corrupt practices. Had our political ancestors stuck to ideological politics and worked for the good of nation,we would have never seen this.
Well said, Mr. Patnaik! My thoughts exactly.
Rajiv Gandhi said that if govt spends 1 Rupee only few paises reach people. Now we have Rahul and he will say the same. How many more years we have to listen this. PM says he do not have magic stick to check the corruption but if Anna team has one at least give a try (ofcourse within the limits of constitution). I also don't understand why most of the editorials from Print Media are far away from this movement (May be because Electronic media has dominated the issue or may be because most of the newspapers are run by politicians as they run too many things like educational institutes,businesses and also country if gets time.)
This article is truly commendable for its insight. I wish Anna and his team go through this article. People should (like this author) stop balking and behave rationally to save our country from being hijacked by some group of people who called themselves civil society.
Thank you Hindu for upholding even a little bit of sanity in this pathetic circus. Your lead articles are pretty much the only thing that is stopping me from losing my mind from watching all these people almost willingly throw away their democratic rights. Another point i think is important is how most of the supporters feel like they are doing something special. Very often i hear them refer to themselves as freedom fighters, i believe it is a way of reacting to all the supposed unpatriotic behaviour the new generation of india is supposed to have. This insecurity i think has almost made it a craze to be patriotic, almost like a peer pressure habit. All they care is to be part of the struggle, not what they are struggling for.
Anna has succeeded in creating a Halo effect and India is a land where communication through Halo effect works best.here every other person has their own Human God /guru/swamy/tantrik/sadhu, whom they follow blindly. the same thing applies to Anna phenomenon
People keep saying that it is the common man who is going to reap the benefits of the Jan Lokpal Bill.Honestly with all the logistical problems it is going to face during implementation (if ever implemented),how is it going to reduce the problems of the common man? At best it could catch the crooks in the upper echelons of the government.Team Anna has relied on massive oversimplification of the problem of corruption in order to whip up passion among the populace. Also majority of the people gathering in the Ramlila grounds are well to do middle class people.The other classes are pretty much under represented.So the claim that Anna`s supporters comprise the majority of India is rather debatable. The way Team Anna has hijacked the givernment is actually a cause of concern for some sections of the society .what if a significant portion of the populace wants to undermine secularism or some other fundamental tenet of the constitution.Will the government heed them too?
James Miller once wrote- we have two american flags always- when the rich fly it, means everything is under control. when the poor fly it, means anarchy, problem, revolution. This Ramlila maidan incident is nothing but the urban euphoria, led by personality cult (messiah) due to their un-informativeness. Anna is no Gandhi, as he is not open to discussions and debates.even if he is, he does'nt want to change his stance a bit. If government bows completely to all the conditions, they will be responsible for the precedent they are going to set and also repercussion effects. After all the parliament is answerable to people not Anna.
The Author seems to be seeking ideal forms of protest against one of the most faulty democracies in the world. Although I believe this messianism should not override the wave of protests, have the author seen how faulty, corrupt and unrepresentative our democracy has become. Would he just sit down and reconcile to the fact that a fifth of our parliamentarians are criminals, two thirds are filthy rich owing to the money they gained exactly from the same system of politics And almost everybody patronised by vested interests. Now how does the author with this decisively corrupt, heavily criminalised and explicitly vested interest oriented polity of ours be bent to people's wishes. It takes 42 years to pass a bill, Team Anna went to legisltors, push PIL's in courts, go to opposition, make statements in media against corruption and nothing happens. Have the intellectuals realize that this was the last resort Team Anna had to take to?
My dear Prabhat, Quoting these protesters as cheer leaders is also an insult to our democracy. It is perfectly all right to put forth your own opinion but you may be forgetting that its the messihas who brought independence to this country.Its hard to beleive some people like Patnaik writing these people as only a few,in saying that they are pretending themselves and don't want to accept the reality.The democracy he is talking about exists in theory only.These so called representatives of people and bureaucrats have made a big hole in our democratic system and only people along with a leader like Anna can fill that whole.They are not just people,they all are qualified,literate and intelligent who are different from libyan or egyptian mass. Its high time for Mr pattnaik to accept the truth and give some valuable suggestions rather than criticising peoples movement.As a economist,can't he realise corruption of this magnitude can be a hinderance on the path of the country's growth?
Yesterday it was Arundathi Roy. Today it is Patnaik. Welcome their views on why they disagree with the methods of Team Anna and their followers. It is instructive to a point. However, skeptics of Team Anna do not have to put down the outpouring of emotions for the cause. In that regard, the conduct has been very civilized and nonviolent. The political class really wishes they could connect, mobilize, and move the masses the way Team Anna does. Finally I salute Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's letter to Anna Hazare. The Prime Minister is seeking win-win without putting Anna down. Critics of the PM fault him for not being an effective or forceful leader, but I disagree. He is an honorable man, more so for not letting the insults bother him. Something good will come out in the end.
I don't see anything wrong in what is going on and also I don't have any option. I am not living in ideal or near to ideal democracy but I am living in a democracy suffering in her worst.
Agreed. My greatest fear is the last bit; that this movement will set a very bad precedent for others which might well be for lesser causes.
sir you have rightly pointed out that its the people who should have a say and not just a single person or 'messiah'. But let me point out that when it comes to voicing a concern, it is the leader who speaks on the behalf of the people.The underestimation of the general public as foolish followers of someone is not at all welcome.
Brilliant! Our democractic system is not the cause of corruption, it is the people governing the system. Instead of trying to bring about a change in people's attitude, team Anna is trying to bring about a change in the system, a change which is unconstitutional and undemocratic. And it is indeed sad that whoever questions Anna's methods is considered to be unconcerned about corruption.
Mr.Patnaik has come up with a thought provoking theory illustrating the current protests as messainism.But he missed a vital point.How many times in the past had it occured that innumerable people of various sectors have come up on streets to protest and support a sole cause?People have gathered at the Maidan not just to cheer Anna or wave flags or gather with the community.They are standing there implying to the goverment that its not just Anna and his team who are wishing for the bill.It is pathetic to call the knowledgeable and perceptive people as dumb.
Very clearly stated Mr.Patnaik. No one should be capable of overturning the democratic system.The system reigns supreme whatever happens.
If we go by what Prabhat Patnaik says about the true democracy, then Mahatma Gandhi was also not democrat. Like Anna he also fought through march, protests and fasts for a public cause of liberation. Even dictators say that they are working for the well being of the people. Should we believe and support them ? If all bad things are being done under the cover of or misusing democracy, one of us has to come forward to lead the rest. This is upto people like Patnaik to label him or her messiah. A fight for people when our so- called elected representatives fail them or let them down is not the negation of the democracy . To keep quiet is . What is the alternative if our leaders do not come to our expectations? Should we hear them parroting the virtues of democracy when most of them have not won the elections through legal means. When they are exposed, they invoke democracy for diverting the public attention from their undemocratic and unconstitutional deeds..
If Anna's team believe that today parliament is not working because representatives have seized to represent the people, then best solution is Anna's team should fight elections, win and then make right policies, laws etc... For bad politics answer is 'more politics and good politics'. If 'Anna is India and India is Anna' then they should win elections easily. That can prove the character of this movement.
To Mr.Prabhat Patnaik, This is Sagar from Mumbai and youth of age 22.I respect your views but I would like to put up some optimistic views which may change your perception. first of all, I am optimistic because Anna Hazare has been able to stir interest about politics into the youth to the some extent and it is welcoming news for healthy Democracy. To make any change into the society, The leader must arise to instill the people and if you called him messiah then let it be. before the 2009 General election, PM Singh was a noble, economist who brought reforms, honest etc. he was too messiah of industrialists in your terminology. and if you worry about Messianism will obstruct the Democracy, don't worry. people of this country which has 20 crores youths and 60% literates are intellectual enough to point out motive behind campaign. It may take time but they overturn the wrong doors.
I'm sorry to say but Mr Prabhat Patnaik seems to be suffering from selective amnesia. Everyday Anna and Team reiterate the differences between Lokpal and Jan Lokpal to the people present at the ground and have also released several videos on U-Tube what else is expected? A media campaign which is funded by no one but donations of few philanthropists. The author has deeply insulted the genuine supporters by calling them as cheerleaders and should apologize. The crowd gathered is mostly from urban India and have fair deal of wisdom to understand what Anna and Team is conveying.In any mass movement there is always a leader to follow else the movement is not effective!! No one has put Anna statues in temples or shrines for the author and group with similar thought procees to worry about Messianism. The intention and messege is very clear FIGHT AGAINST CORRUPTION and now is the time for every true Indian Citizen to tender support in what ever way possible!!
We Indians are not democrat people.Our society based on caste system.We never believed in equability.Upper caste not give equal right to lower caste.Democracy is imposed upon us. So it is not working smoothly.We transferred it into Hindu way of life. So there is terrible chaos in the country.From ancient time people of India waiting some messiah in trouble time.In GITA Krishna promised to devotees that whenever chaos arises in India he will came and solve all your problems.Whenever trouble arises people wait and who boastfully create a illusion in mind of people that he will solve your all problems and bring RAMRAJYA India people run behind him madly.Thousand time it happened.Now Anna promising that my janlokpal bill solve your all problems,this bill will finished corruption.People are madly supporting him.After all he is spreading illusion but this is a universal law people want illusion, true no one want hear on the contrary people bite the person who tells the truth.
If privileged, educated Indians want to keep India corrupt, then they may succeed, unless of course the mass of Indians prefer not be tyrannized on a daily basis for everything, or see their collective wealth (ie national wealth) plundered for the private gain of a tiny minority, while about 30% of their fellow countrymen and women languish in abject poverty. Recently there has been a spate of articles pontificating on the finer points of democracy in India. They do not refer to any shortcomings of the current system, or whether the present democratic laws, systems and procedures are being abused for personal gain by the few. These articles ignore what the President of India said on 15.8.11 "Corruption is a cancer affecting our nation's political, economic, cultural and social life"; and that "the country cannot afford the loss of resources meant for its development" (Hindu). ULTIMATELY INDIA WILL HAVE THE KIND OF COUNTRY and DEMOCRACY INDIANS PAINSTAKINGLY BUILD, HOPEFULLY TO BENEFIT ALL.
Dear sir..I would like to quote the statement of senior journalist Prasoon Bajpai,in his article he wrote that presently there are 182 MPs in parliament on which cases of corruption and indulgence in criminal activities are going on.My question is :Do u think they are the true representative of a Democratic country? I think their place should not be in parliament.Atleast a simple man is taking initiative against this problem. Every citizen knows that corruption cannot be abolish easily it will take time but someone has to come forward to raise the voice.strict discipline and strict laws must be implemented to put a check on such kind of people who are not at all afraid of our present system. Everybody is interpreting the fasting of Anna,the way they want, everybody is criticising but why these intellectuals not giving strong suggestions. Come forward and take action;might be a layman start paying attention on your words and it may help to uplift their place in society.
The article points out the inherently anti-democratic character of the methodology adopted by the Team Anna protesters. True ours is a corrupt democracy at all levels but threatening the government with fasts and deadlines is hardly a solution. However Mr Patnaik's reference to Avtars etc was a little jarring as a friend pointed out.There have been true and false Messiahs in both recent and distant past, and in all countries and not necessarily only in 'premodern India', as he seems to suggest.
Prabhat's 'Messianism versus democracy' as a lead article in The Hindu is well-crafted.He has faulted both union government and Anna and his company Limited, self-styled representatives of civilians' right!Fault with govt is logical but the fault with Anna and company Ltd is beyond rationality-he wants to usurp functioning Parliament Under the Constitution! Personality cult like messianism is not new in India-here the people go for blind faith over a particular person, doing something strange -whether he may be politician or among any starta of life-but this messianism tendency may be most dangerous trend for Indian democracy-how Anna could be messiah only because his cheer-lady Kiran has described Anna is India and India Anna,likening him with Indira's fascist and authoritarian rule during emergency. DK Baruwa had similarly described indira is India and India is Indira-A fascist like person cannot be messiah!
Very good article.People who are talking about parliamentarians as thugs, thieves, cheats and what else are those who are not bothered to come out and vote for those candidates who are good, noble and who could have represented them properly.These people who refuse to franchise their vote time and again are the ones who are talking about corruption and everything else.They forgot to do their duty when the time came for them to do so.By coming out on streets now is not going to help.These people say the majority of India is with them.It means over 60 crore people are now on the streets for this movement.I fail to see so much crowd on the streets.
The author would have forgot that India is called a democratic country, but can he show it anywhere in INDIA. All this stuff would have worked if this are going as framed according to the rules of the so called democratic govt. We say that People need to change not the system , but who are those that are working in the system. They just force people to do. Yes i accept that Anna's bill can just be one more set of rules , unless the so called People act to it.
Indian politicians are the source of all corruptions and they deserve to have this Messiah. Without this Messiah they will never ever learn anything to make India a true democracy.
Well said, Prabhat Patnaik. Our's is young, but the strongest democracy in the world. Do not let it lose it's credibility. As observed, it is democracy, not mobocracy.
You can argue and counter-argue the legitimacy of Anna's campaign but the fact remains that the faith in the governmental institutions are so low that people are willing to clutch at straws with the hope of cleaning up the corruption. Our democratically elected government, if it truly believes in democracy, should either hold a referendum or call for fresh elections so that the people of India can choose who they think would represent their aspirations the best.
Dear Patnaik, What about VS Achuthanandan then? CPM used VS as a messiah whenever that party needed right? More over an element of Messianism can be seen in almost all movement.Gandhiji,Mandela,Christ, Medha Patkar,Lenin, You take any leader you can see it from the angle of common man. Then what is the point to insist that only Anna must be free from this new 'Ism'. If you know that this kind of mistakes can be committed for a person like Anna,then why can't you or your party lead a protest like this in India? Your theories are good to read.
I read this and the articles of Roy and Thorat also. I found one common thing in all three articles is that Anna Hazare is strongly criticized. I am writing my comments on this article. All movements (Social, political & environmental)are taken place mainly in democratic countries. There is no place for these movements in authoritarian regimes. It is known that a mass movement brings mainly positive changes in the system. Social movements (of farmers, tribals, feminism, dalits, etc.) make the society egalitarian. In any movement, there is always a leader. Mr. Hazare is also the leader of this movement and not Messiah. Anna's movement has supporters from every part of India. It is so because each and everyone is affected by corruption at least once in their lifetime. Otherwise GOI either did not bother about this movement like the fast of Irom Sharmila. As per author, Gandhiji was also undemocratic due to his non-violent movements. How many people can digest this.
I do not understand why everyone commenting here in support of Anna Hazare is missing the point Mr. Prabhat has mentioned in this brilliant article.He isn't saying that the Anna's campaign against corruption is wrong,what he wants to point out is the way Team Anna
has been conducting all these days.This is really something like besieging the country.He should be open for healthy negotiations.I am an AAM AADMI and like Anna's ideals but I do hate his way to get things done.Comparing his campaign to that of Mahatma Gandhi is insane as 'that' happened in a complete different scenario.
Messiah is something different but perhaps the writer is not aware of the fact that the people are not only coming to Ramlila ground in Delhi but they are also demonstrating support to this great personality in various parts of the country. Some people are fearing from the emergence of this social reformer, least their supermacy should deminished.
Mr Patnaik has certainly not carried the debate on the Lokpal Bill forward. Instead what he has offered is a long winding article on Anna's methodology. Mr Patnaik seems to be extolling the virtues of the leftist ideology [which has lost its sheen these days] and he is out of sync with the current debate.
What if the so-called Watch Dog begins to express a desire for a particular kind of bone and which only one person can provide? Will it still remain a Watch Dog in general then? Or will it become a personal Watch Dog?
Well, democracy allows for people like Dr. Patnaik to rant aloud and showcase their innate talent to carefully dissect any problem and then argument in favor or against it. I am trying to list some arguments below for those who try to color this uprising in different colors other than anti-corruption. 1. The discussion should be about corruption and ways to eradicate it 2. Have you done anything to stop this menace? Have you got better ideas than Team Anna? 3. Are you jealous of Anna(just a seventh grade pass)? 4. Who is supreme? People or charters/contracts/political system? 5. How do you define public participation in a nation of billion + people? 6. Do all people who support a cause always come out on street? Or are all people concerned by all kinds of issues? 7. Has our constitution delivered what it was supposed to deliver? 8. How many years a nation take to develop? >
Info. asymmetry bound to exist in any society. Its people choice to get info. and then support or just support!
Well compiled article. It properly emphasizes on the grass roots of democracy - The People. The need of the hour is the proper analytical approach on politics, treating it as a science. In terms of the people's thought process, the current scenario is a replica of what we have already sensed during the election campaigns, by blindly sticking to a leader's view or ideology. It is frustrating when the mass of Intelligentsia is also on the same page. People have to rethink the approach they take upon. I am very moved by the opinion articles published in past three days by 'The Hindu' - I would rather not be Anna, Ambedkar's view, Messianism Vs Democracy, for each having their real time grass root analysis on the prevailing issues.
Just as the Govt. has failed to read the pulse of the people, The Hindu too has and is failing. As an unbiased newspaper, one would expect them to publish articles supporting all views in an issue. But the number of articles criticising Anna Hazare seem to be more and this suggests that they are trying to steer it in a direction they want. As many readers have pointed out, people are not behind Anna Hazare for his charisma or considering him as a messiah. PEOPLE ARE GENUINELY FED UP OF CORRUPTION. I think a large majority of those who are protesting understand very well that Lokpal wont solve everything wrong in our society. But its a right step in a right direction. And protests, marchs, fasts and vigils are the only way to let government know that we are serious. If not for Hazare, people would not even have known about Lokpal and those who wanted a meaningful debate, might have still given their views, though it might have fallen on deaf ears.
There is no new original argument here than posssibly the phraseology and some catchwords like 'Messianism'.I wonder where all these Intellctual Kumbhakarnas are performing their ritualistic marathon somnolence when they were suddenly awakened by the protest the common man, only to complain about the possible threat this revolution holds to the survival of democracy in our country.Does it augur well to our democracy when the large number of illterate people can sell their democratic decision making powers to the highest bidder.Does it augur well to our democracy where identity politics spend their energies on the constant search to carve out vote bank politics,where every division in the society is perpetuated,where the educated middle class abstained from from voting.Our democracy is under severe threat from the neo liberal policies of the government,growing unrest among the poor living in forests,increasing gulf between India and Bharat,than in a popular protest demanding a watchdog.
If the government had presented a tougher bill with fewer differences than Jan Lokpal version(they are now moving in that very direction), Anna's movement wouldn't have anything to stand on. Instead you have the government questioning Anna's credentials, and later arresting him ; inflaming the general public. That was a mindnumbingly stupid move characteristic of a government loosing touch with the man on the street. If you are to blame someone for eroding the parliamentary democracy and its institutions the blame first and foremost lies with the incumbent government. What was the government waiting for between 16th August and yesterday,were they testing the limits to which Anna will go, were they expecting the public support upsurge to wither away so that they can go ahead with their Jokepal.It is painful to see such a goverment trying to take the moral high ground using sanctity of the parliamentray process and institutions as a crutch.
Messianism is not new to India, we have messiah in every form, as politicians, as religious leaders, as yoga gurus, as corporate bigwigs, as film stars and what not. Gullibility of followers is essential for sustenance of messianism, this takes the form of religious, cultural and patriotic forms. As put other day by another author, If a reporter asks about lokpal to the followers, the answer is "jai hind, inquelab zindabad, bharat mata ki jai". Most of them are hardly aware of the bill, but a view is deliberately being created that lokpal is THE answer to corruption in India. Team Anna as well as media, both are equal culprits in not having shared and debated the exact lokpal provisions with people. The adamant attitude of Hazare and "its my bill or govt should go" shows the street or dharna politics which he is preaching. Parliament must remain supreme and govt must not given in to such transient blackmailing methods by any groups, irrespective of nobility of the cause.
If they were the least bit serious about corruption they would have implemented a strong Lokpal bill by now, instead of focussing their energies on villyfying Anna's movement. If this movemnet has not struck a chord with the larger public as you seem to hint at, the government would have had no need to climb down from their stand informed as they are by better sources of the IB. The popular support of the public cuts across the diverse people of our nation and the now imminent climb down is a proof of this(compare this with Swami Nigamanand who was on a fast and eventually died). While we are on the topic of messianism it will be great if you could also write about Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi the messia figureheads from the congress party which is now trying to present itself as upholders of the democratic system.They are in my opinion far greater threat than Anna and his movement .
In this article solution has not been prescribed for bringing a strong anti corruption law,only anna has been condemned.It is also a right of a person,so we cannot condemn the article also.But my personal opinion is when people representatives relegate the concern of common man pressure need to be created on them.
Dear Mr patnaik... I think you have written this only with your imagination. you can only understand this if you will reach ramleela maidan. What is wrong if someone considers ANNA as a Messiah, the whole Indian politics is based on Messianism some on Castism Messiah, linguistic Messiah, Regionalism Messiah, Secular Messiah, non-secular Messiah.......... Even ellected members choose a Messiah to leead the party. ANNA is better than them a 'SIMPLE Messiah'..........
Totally agreed with this article.If the team Anna wants to pass the bill in condition than they must go to election of 2014.If they don't want to go for election as they think politics is dirty thing,then at least they should support any political party in next election to pass there bill.Give one chance to explain advantages and dis advantages of both lok pall bill one prepared by Govt and other prepared by team Anna to every party. Let whole country decide it in next election of 2014.
Who knew what was Satyagarh all about when Gandhi started it in the pre-independence era? Some knew about it, but the mass of people blindly followed the leaders, in whom they had implicit trust. The Constitution of India, too, was accepted by the people - not because they knew about it, but because the popular leaders accepted it. Then going by the logic of the article, we can very well question the validity of Constitution, since many Indians today are not even aware of its provisions. Shouldn't ignorance of the Constitution be a reason in itself to dismiss it? The bottomline : We have seen 'intellectuals'provide 'incisive' analysis of the anti-corruption wave - analysis which does not help the movement. How many intellectuals succeeded in creating a mass movement against corruption, as Anna did? How many intellectuals today can command a trust at par with Anna? People cannot be just described as 'spectators' - they are the ones who are leading the agitation.
i have been a continuous reader of THE HINDU for a long time, but by reading this type of articles i am loosing faith in this paper.till now i thought politics only corrupted but by publishing this type of articles i am afraid your news paper may also lose its credibility among readers,my humble request to you is please support the movement which is for our next generation
Recent articles coming from JNU kitchen will always have a typical form as the above article. These professors, good at juggling with words and churning out articles after articles without any material or physical contribution to the nation are hypocrites. When INC project on their dead or impotent live leaders as saviors of the nation, then it is democratic process? The parties who have base ideologies as nepotism, pseudo-secularism and manipulations at every stage [buying MPs in parliament], will they protect people's democratic rights [eg emergency]? NONSENSE, Anna Hazareji is nothing but the reincarnation of Gandhiji and power of his will is to be seen by everyone. In fact these profs overnight writing these articles is good enough to provide the kind of fear AH has created among these so called intellectuals, so now they want discredit this noble cause of Anna. Could these people suggest any way to get a strong LOKPAL bill through the parliament in current situation? Jai Ho Anna!!
Indian democracy is a joke. Because 1. You line up 10 thugs and ask me to choose one among them 2. Most of the people who vote don't even know who they are voting for, they vote for a symbol or for some monetary benefit. Democracy would work only in a informed society, which I am sorry to say, isn't the average Indian public. I would rather have an Anna than one of your thugs. Just placing the word democracy here and there doesn't make your arguments worthwhile. The number one reason why China is doing better than India in almost every field is that they realize they are not ready for democracy.
the intellectuals and politicians are using the buzz words 'elected representatives', 'parliament' in a very ideal sense. I want to ask the author if tomorrow elections are held and in a constituency we are provided with these options to vote for.. 1)INC-suresh kalmadi 2)DMK- A Raja 3)BJP- B s yedurappa 4)...- Madhu Koda whom are we going to vote for ? this is the kind of political frustration which is outpouring in the streets. Everybody who is supporting Anna is not believing him a messiah or God but only a respectable elderly social activist who has proven his credentials with many fasting experiments. Secondly to say that they are not using the occasion to enlighten them about difference in lokpal and jan lokpal is wrong, because for months they are educating people, they have posted it on website, they are educating through video and so on . I think the author could have utilized his time and The Hindu's space for educating people about the bills.
All over the world promises are being made by leaders of all sorts, religious, social, political. Not all promises are realized then why don't we just blame only the politicians for not able to translate the promises into action. Politicking from outside the power structures is easy and readily made and people make all utopian calls and hope for the best of the best. Only the administrators both the democratically elected representatives and the trained bureaucrats have the wherewithal to deliver the promised goods, to translate the utopian ideas and ideals into practices. as suggested by numerous people let the Team Anna members who echo that they are India (represent India) to partake in the political path get themselves elected so as to translate their people's lok pal Jan lok pal into its desired end. Each domain have got its trained pundits and professionals and the dynamics and the struggles of each domains are known and handled effectively by insiders and not by outsiders.
People who are in the ground are 10K times more intelligent than people who vote for the parliament. In which case what you are suggesting is equally true of ManMohan Singh. Quite honestly Mr Patnaik, you have written a drivel. Pure drivel.
Dear sir your correct,we all wish to restrain corruption but,more worried about about the damage to the sovereignty and secularism of our GREAT NATION.
The problem in Indian context is that we just want oral debate for solution of a problem rather than an active one.We just want to pay concerns in print media or news channels, when people actually come forward as a mass movement ,we declare it undemocratic.None of the intellectual told till now what is the right medium of protest against an arrogant government.Even after so much uproar ruling party and opposition are not serious to pass a strong lokpal bill.Our great democratic institution left lokpal in garbage since 42 years.Unfortunately no intellectual try to see in deep of anger of comman man,who always cheated by politicians.Our constitution makers would not even have been thought in dreams about detirioration Indian politics system.Beyond going into classics of political science please try to understand the problem in present context.It is not the matter of protest but the question is to maintain trust of comman man in Indian parliamentry institutions.
Your intellectual thoughts and pretended thesis on democracy is a bouncer to our logic. We are simple people who live on Planet earth and elect representatives and expect nothing much but sincere doings. The rise of Messianism (in ur words) is nothing but an effect of Democratic and constitutional failure. Don't judge a book by its cover - Democracy and Constitution are now used as a make up by the 'royal family of India' to fool people. May be you're right when you say that "The Constitution is the social contract upon which the Indian state is founded, and it cannot be overturned by the wishes of a majority at a particular time" Well, then the people of India should ask Congress to step down coz it failed miserably to live up to the expectation. But Anna and People know that this won't kill the root cause. One question: if those at Ramlila n all over India are not 'the people' of India then who are they?
Excellent piece that brings back into focus what is at stake. The earlier comments make clear that this is not so much about corruption as against democracy. All corruption agitations/movements have been against democracy. Look at Pakistan, Zulphi Bhutto, his daughter and her rival were all elected and were removed on grounds of corruption and were replaced by autocratic governments. Here these guys thing that if they allow the natural life of the current Lok Sabha, prices may come down and they may have to wait for the next in 2019.
After dissappointed with yesterdays article , very happy to see a very nice article. Thanks Hindu. I like Lokpal idea and am supporting, but deep down I knew it is not democratic and unconstitutional. But whenever we get this feeling we end up doing nothing. But we cannot do things just like that unfortunately. We are in a position where we have to do undemocratic and unconstitutional methods to bring democracy to our country. Because gone are the days corruption is just in some crores , now whenever we are talking about corruption we are talking about 1000s of crores
The article is a very well written one to awaken public about broader aspect of eruption of constitutional crisis.We can not sacrifice democracy and parliamentary system.Anna should be flexible.But one thing still I remember that in 1964\65 when we were school children, Odisha had witnessed All Odisha Students agitation against the then state government.Being school students our intellect was not mature enough to probe all the issues of the state.But there was a clear prception of corrupt and ineffcient administration.
True face of the movement driven by Anna Hazare can be seen through this article . really thank you Prof.Prabhat Patnaik for letting us think where our present generation is going.
A very impressive article indeed.Since last ten days the arrogance of Team Anna is quite evident,Annaji repeats a few sentences which it seems are forced on him by his team,They have no doubt brough the current ruling establishment on it's knees possibly due to loss of credibility caused by successive scams.Another thing showing is weak political leadership,I Don't think such a spectacle would have happened if Jawahar Lal Nehru or his contemporaries like Patel and Shastri would have been around... The capitulation of all democratic values will be complete if Parliament is forced to adopt most of the provisions of Jan Lokpal Bill prepared by Team Anna intellectuals(They pretend that they are the only intellectuals in this part of the world)... The arrogance of Mr.Kejriwal and Prashant Bhushan was more than clear when Karan Thapar grilled them.They simply started showing disregard for democracy and Parliament..Time will tell that Indians have again fooled by this remedy called Lokpal.
Whatever Anna is doing is making a change in perspective of corrupt people that they can't go easy.If u are saying that it is weakening Democracy then don't forget any kind of governance is for the good of it's people...being idealist doesn't help always.
I agree with Patnaik. Constitution was formulated with the idea that people reign supreme. The way Anna's movement is proceeding , it looks more like out of a Hindi Film, "there was once a Hero who found society to be full of evils and wanted to single handedly wipe out all evils and in the process made lots of supporters and enemies". This plot is good for films. In reality though this becomes impractical. Corruption is deep rooted in our society and I wonder how many of those thronging at Ram Lila grounds in support of Anna Hazare are actually "clean" or uncorrupt! There are no shortcuts for this evil in our society and no one shot treatments possible. Attitudes need to change and people need to make changes. If at all Anna manages to get this Bill across, can he assure us that our Leaders are going to be Uncorrupt from now on.. We have had so many parties ruling us and which is one Political party who does not have a corrupt person. I agree this movement will and should make change.
It would certainly be wonderful if all the prostestors were an expert on constitution. But that doesnt happen so the "dumb" public are merely expressing their support for some who seems to represent their interest which in this case is Anna hazare. How is this any different from what goes in electorate? Also, there has been enough articles mentioning how the people protesting are not "the people" of india. What has not been acknowledged is that these are "also people" with rights. AFAIK, the protestors are not excluding any section of the society based on caste, language..etc so one cannot say that they represent only a minority. Also, the people who are protesting are the ones least affected by corruption in our country since they can afford to bribe to get a job done more often than not.
Yours is a sane voice of caution, Mr. Prabhat Patnaik! I fully agree with your point that 'a majority wishing to abandon secularism at a particular time is no reason to do so.'
I have read many editorials of The Hindu and I have never seen so many negative for any of those for the past two days there are more disagree than agree. The Hindu fails to read people's mood- what is the point in blindly following 'The Constitution'when the representatives are doing great disservice to it? A democracy is only as good as the politician who runs it. Are you not asking as to follow them blindly?..
There are three aspects of Anna Hazare's movement that need to be appreciated: (1) That the current democratic form of governance in India has failed substantially, there is no doubt. We cannot live under illusion that everything will sort out by itself. A corrective action is imminent. (2) The old guard, such as this author, believe that the democratic setup should be passive with inputs from people only at the time of election. They are out of sync with the present. What everyone all over the world aspires these days is a pro-active democracy where the people at large wish to have a continuous say in governance. The days of political parties having a five-year slumber are numbered. (3) The old guard also believe that if left to itself, such people's movement can go out of hand and subvert the constitution. This is a naive attitude of a bygone era from Shyam Benegal's films. In this information age, it is not easy for anyone to subvert the constitution.
We have seen for long that every overground party in India needs to put up an underground in order to be heard and to survive/prevail eg NE Punjab TN This means that the democracy we practice is a bit of a sham and there are of course degrees of sham. Similarly every political party now needs a Mukhota to present its agreeable face and hide its real politik intent in that GREAT GAME of electoral politics BJP was first accused of doing so with ABV vide Govindacharya Soon Congress presented Sonia the great sacrificer as its public face then it added for good measure the saint in Manmohan as its persona both were intended to mislead as history of scams unfolds And now Anna has repaid Sonia in the same coin Look at the striking fervor with which as is done with Sonia ,Anna too is always referred to in the third person by acolytes who alone interpret their moods and opinions by informed inference !! Sad our much vaunted democracy is so fragile and flawed.
Democracy was a dream seen by our freedom fighters and national leaders. 'Democracy' means for the people, by the people and from the people. We (all Indians) are all irritated with the level of corruption being injected into the Indian society. Ask any foreign land national to describe the Indians..... he would probably give the answer as hardworking,intelligent and corrupt (no offense to anyone). I salute what Anna Hazare is doing but his means are unconstitutional. Rite now, instead of fighting for the cause he is dictating the terms to the parliament, which is selected by the majority of indians through a election. To tackle the humongous problem of corruption, I think the basic solution lies in inner conscience of oneself... At that point I remember the advertisement campaign by TATA TEA which gives the plain message that corruption is there because of us (the common people)...
I have read the Lokpal Bill (IAC draft) and I support it. I agree with the author about his concern of messianism but I would like to ask if it was not present in the first place? From Bapu to today's Sonia Gandhi, is India not led by a single family during most of its independent years? Secondly, your concern about awareness, is highly questionable as this movement is mostly supported by the educated middle class and youth of nation (which you unfortunately discarded as not being the voice of the nation). I think this movement has more democratic rationale than the corrupt election process where poor and illiterate are brought to vote for illegible leaders with the carrots of freebies. Thirdly, and most importantly, Anna Hazare has cleanest background for people to trust his intent. He is the one who realized Ralegan Siddhi and brought in RTI awareness single handed. His is a gradient transition from a person to leader and its the leader in him we trust not the messiah.
Are our elected representatioves real protectors of democracy? Look at our MLA'S, MP's and ministers. How many of them were elected without money power? How many of them are literate? How many of them can you really show case to the world? How many of them joined politics to serve rather than to create wealth for themselves and their families? How many of them are dummies? How many of them have goondas working for them? How many of them put their hands up to support an anti corruption cause? How many of them were poorer at the end of their tenure? If the annswer to any of the above is greater than 5% we should not support Anna Hazare. We can call Anna Hazare a messiah, undemocratic, anti state, arrogant etc but show me an alternative to clean the mess we have accumulated. We don't need complex arguments. We need simple and effective action to make a start. This is a real opportunity for India, for the people of India.
I didn't think I would agree so wholeheartedly with an article written by Dr Prabhat Patnaik! We usually have different political views. But this article is simply brilliant! Thanks for this - maybe Anna Hazare groupies will take notice - but I don't think they read The Hindu!
Excellent article. Hopefully this help people to open-up and understand the arguments. I am proud to be a reader of The Hindu. I support Anna's cause and without eliminating corruption we can't move forward to the next step as country. I am not ok with the methods. The govt has lost all credibility and caused a vacuum that might be filled by groups which unknowingly might Destabilize India in the longer run.
i read the article with open mind i also read both version of the bill. i would like to explain all my intellectual friends who has given their Comments in favour of soverign parliament and democrecy. i would like to invite the attention of all the so called intellectual gentleman to the preamble of the constitution which starts with "We the people" I dont find any wrong and vilation of constitution and parliamentary procdure by introducing the Jan Lokpal Bill.
Dear Patnaik, i completely agree with you that the movement leaded by Anna Hazare is certainly having the characteristics of Messianism. But i have failed to find a reasonable solution in your article to stop the corruption from our country. I hardly understood the aim of your article. Mr. Patnaik, it's very easy to find flaws in people's activity driven by their frustration because of our country's present situation .... Please don't try to discourage such a movement for good cause. You will also be benifited if a strong Lokpal bill is introduced.
Is 2G scam democratic? Is Commonwealth games corruption democratic?
The kind of democracy we are living in, is not much different from an oligarch.The candidates once elected,no longer thinks of their promises and their duties, but what they are more concerned about is, How to make enough money for a lifetime.All the laws framed are so flexible and filled with loopholes, which they use for their own benefits. Also,Anna Hazaare's team is not trying to uproot our democracy.A democracy is "of the people, by the people and for the people". They are just trying to make it more focussed on the "for the people" point.
Mr Patnaik, You do refer to Mr. Jyoti Basu and the homework he used to do for informative speeches. I have spent half of my life under Jyoti Basu's left governance. They may have been democratically elected with informative speeches but the intellectual corruptive policies have left West Bengal lagging behind in all quarters. Question is not about democracy or the version of Janlokpal bill, it is about a 74 year old honest man with impeccable morality fighting against a corrupt rule. When British ruled India and Gandhiji was fighting for independence, how many Indians did know about the vision of Mahatma? Netaji did shout " Give me blood, I will give you freedom", does this sentence sound very democratic to you? Let's take Anna's fight as a starting point for a new freedom fight....I am not saying that it will resolve all the problems but it will be a new start our motherland, dying under corrupt rule!
If we exercise our right to franchise in a proper manner, we can stop the disintegration of democratic institutions to a great extent. It is the elite who opt out of exercising their right to franchise. Having done that, they do not have any right to criticize the bad state of affairs prevalent in the country. In fact,the elite in the Society should join their hands with the lesser fortunate people and help them solve their problems. As responsible citizens, we all have to raise our voice against injustice. Let us learn to react and set an example for the younger generations to emulate. Unless the parents teach good morals to the children at home, there is no use blaming the school or the teachers for the bad behaviour of the children. It is the home in which one lives and the Society in which the home is located which matters and help us in becoming responsible citizens. We should not encourage new messiahs which would lead to disintegration of our democratic institutions.
Only the naive will presume that democracy is flourishing in India. In the name of democracy rottenocracy has taken over. Rules are flouted to uphold the rules; votes are purchased and if not rigged. Politicians consider it their inalienable right to loot the exchequer and the prime minister seems to agree. There is a democratic anarchy prevailing. Anna's andhi could do a world of good for Indian democracy as it can sweep the old mindset cobs away.
The goal 'Anti Corruption' is a good thing. But we need to look at the way, the path taken by the masses to reach the Goal. No person can be held above the constitution. And the government has a certain process to function. Let introduce the bill either GOV Lokpal or Anna Lokpal and then lets amend the bill to fill up the loopholes. The bill is currently with parliamentary standing committee, let us wait for their review and see their recommendation on the bill.
In a democracy the government is elected by its people; but that doesn't imply that the government may well take its people for granted and only rise to meet its demand when the next elections are in sight with just enough time to then emphasize their glorious achievements and success for bringing its people tremendous growth, development and progress. The people indeed can voice their mistrust with the government through the electoral process, but how many times? A different party may come and hold power but what assurance the people of India have that this new centre won't commit the same crimes and acts of corruption? This movement of "messianism" as termed by the author is actually a vent of public frustration and despair against the workings of any government since the can of worms(labelled corruption) opened up in the country; and it is the first true step of hope taken by the people who want to see a better, more responsible governance by any ruling party in the upcoming future.
This is a very very weak argument from the left top brass in India. Little wonder that the thinking people in India have abandoned this sort of leftist politics and the left leadership is in utter ruins! What a shame! Do your home work Mr.Patnaik: Go back to the basics of democracy and constitutionalism so as to discern whether these are being re-charged with more appropriate meanings to the given context or whether people are all supine, passively listening to a messianic sermon from the pulpit! If you were physically present in the Ramlila maidan you could not miss the fact that it is a very disparate assembly of all sections of people who are fed up with the official and conventional alibi offered by the state power structure under the pretext of democracy and constitution.Even further,they would insist that Hazare, however respectable, is only a symbol of their struggle to bring about both equality and transparency in public life by tabling the Janlok pal bill and improving it.
It's is not democracy that let down the people, it's people who let down the democracy
Thank god Patnaik sir was not born during Mahatma Gandhi time otherwise he would have put the same lecuture as in above.Might be he forgotten history let me remind him little bit, if we go back in history we will find that Muhammad Sahib, Jesus Christ, Gautam Buddha, Guru Nanak Sahib were born out of suffering of human being. May be our case is different here, but, we are suffering from corruption menance from top to bottom, if you can't provide or part with the solution then it's no good to criticise it. Every human struggle has different set of story but at the end someone has to lead from front and here Anna is taking the lead.And for your knowledge please come out of JNU travel to your village or home town, you will get to know people are following Anna or not.
jesus never claimed he is god, he told he is son of god. certainly he is a TRUE MAN with brave heart. why people confuse themselves and confuse others. as of today it is clear only loard krishna told the whole world i am d GOD
It will be interesting to understand how and why Anna Hazare has gone all the way to Delhi to espouse a 'national cause' in the name of a campaign against corruption and Lok Pal Bill when in his own backyard there are problems of high scale corruption by politicians in connivance with land mafia and the co operative banks looting the public funds. Why couldn't take on the government there to solve these issues first? The Lok Ayukta in Anna's state of Maharashtra which boasts of being the first State to create the institution, is toothless while the Lok Ayukta in Karanataka has done wonders. Why couldn't Anna do anything about it in his own State?
Its very easy to comment on what should be followed and what not but did the author thought why large number of people are on the roads. Today people dont have time for their near and dear ones then why they will come and support Anna? The basic reason is there is nor more a parliamentary system alive in this country, its just on papers and those who claim to be the elected representatives- how these people get elected , we all know. So , instead of going by the book one should understand today's condition-poor are becoming poorer and rich richer by the current policies. We should thank Anna for such a non voilent protest else present situation can erupt like the Middle East. I hereby request , The Hindu, being a popular daily to encourage articles like these.
1. Anna Hazare is the face of the movement and not the movement itself. 2. Jan Lokpal Bill has been drafted by a group called India against Corruption and it to be a People's bill in spirit needs to be put for referendum. 3. Most of the people indulged in systemetic corruption ( lower beauracracy) are with Anna Hazare's movement, for them the corruption which they are indulging is not corruption and only corruption according to most of the people is one whih is committed by higher beauracracy, ministers and businessman (just because money involved is astronomical.
great article.....an eye opener which gives 360 degrees view of the much hyped anna's crusade against corruption.....no doubt anna's crusade against corruption is a right step keeping in mind the need of the hour but the means adopted by him in carrying forward his crusade are not constitutional....the involvement of the masses just as mere spectators without even having knowledge regarding the main ingredients of the jan lokpal bill indicates the hollowness of his crusade.....
With all due respect to your qualification sir your views in this article are highly biased with a sole purpose to criticize Anna Hazare. Anna has proved his credibility throughout his life, he has reformed lives of millions of people before he even came to challenge these politicians for corruption.He is just giving voice to millions of Indians who are burdened with the weight of illegal activities of these leaders who are just robbing us of all the resources that we have. Didn't you take into account all the recent scams??. Its your wish call him messiah savior or whatever no one can match his courage, determination and will power. Its out duty to support a man like him if we want to get rid of the corruption our politicians are sticking to!!
Nice article for talented readers. But how many % of people well aware about their rights as laid down in our constitution? Is the constitution followed strictly by our political representatives? Is their any guarantee that the "Janlokapal" bill will solve all the problems of corruptions from this country by including Prime Minister and Judiciary. May be some extent,but not so easy to eradicate corruptions as it starts from top to bottom,even in grass root and tap root level also. Public want to lead a peaceful life both financially and socially. But, Most of the political leaders are rich people and capitalists also. It is obvious that a have not person will follow a wealthy and renowned person and support him to some benefit either financially or socially. Though, we are in democratic country in pen and paper,but demons are moving hither and thither,exploiting public money, accumulating in foreign banks for their vested interest.
I dont think Mr.hazare has invited every one to join his protest on ramlila grounds.Its his call for anticorruption has brought many educated civilians across the country to protest.
i m little dissapointed with writer's concept of MESSIANISM in INDIAN context. i think INDIA as a society is used to MESSIANISM when people fully back some one. BUT to be messiah in INDIA there are strict conditions for it. ANNA HAZARE struck chord with people by being simple, honest & spiritual. So many times in indian modern history political MESSIAHs have abused their position to surpass democratic institutions and even parliament for their personal or political gains. ONE should acknoledge the cause of this movement which has affected every INDIAN. Future of indian democracy will only get better from this moovement as it hass been successful in churning indian socity.
pleased reading this article, sadly we are in a state where people love thier heros and this looks to be an other Blockbuster ... with few people gaining bounty from dumb people like Us .!!! I am proud i am not a Anna Suppoter !!
Again a problem of over analyzing the person and missing the point by a mile. It is not at all important here that Anna Hazare is a messiah of the people or just another leader. People who are supporting him may be ignorant of his Jan Lokpal bill's contents though that is again an assumption. However they trust him wholeheartedly and believe him when he says that the bill will make a difference in the fight against corruption. Moreover you forget Anna is supported by other members of a team. It is natural for people to rally to a leaders call. You need a focal point and Anna is that. People who never were part of his group or politics are supporting him purely because they understand that we need to channelize our collective energies to fight this menace. There is no need to paint him as something more than a human being who is raising his voice against corruption like many others.
God is one and almighty,unseen and only based on faith. Neither Krishna nor Jesus or Prophet Mohamed expressed themselves as god including 'Budhha also'. Prior to Jesus,Mohammed,Budhha,to whom people believed. That was only nature. All the religions are man made for a discipline living in the society prior to introduction of constitution,which also needs some reformations. Heavenly father,God,Allah all are equal in different languages. Service to man kind is service to god.
Time and again the so call intellectuals say that the public are ignorant and what they say is correct. The public (including me) may not understand all the nuances of democracy and governance but we certainly can see that these corrupt politicians and the corrupt corporate units are becoming richer and richer and the common man struggles more for daily bread. The rich and the so called intellectuals are filling their stomach with butter whereas 83% of the public are not having bread. When the public (the so called ignorant people) take up the cudgels to fight for their right to live, criticism follows. If Anna had not taken up this cause, probably further trillion dollars would be swallowed by these politicians and taken to far off land to financially support their Nth generation. Let us fight hard to bring the JAN LOKPAL BILL.
In developing/3rd world countries if anyone touches any one chord among corruption, Roti, Kapda,Makan etc, it turns into music...I augur danger if Young and educated India forgets to apply their rationale out of frustration and anger.We all Middle classes have suffered from Corruption at any point in our life.That does not mean that we will buckle down and follow blindly to a demagogue's idea to bring out justice just because this Demagogue( or a softer term Messaiah) has touched the right chord at the right time..But we should not forget touching the right chord at right time does not create good music always,the right way to touch the chord is also important.
A very well elucidated article. The writer has exactly hit on the paining nerve of the so called democrats trying to change things by following a spectacle of a fasting old man in front of a Gandhi-face poster. The hero-worshipers have been there in every generation and they they still exist as we see and that too in large numbers. I initially supported the stand taken by people in supporting the fight against corruption but now this 'messianism' has taken all the charge. People there are only chanting the name of Anna and hailing his stubbornness. In many rational discussions if you try to question or criticize anna's way, the other major faction labels you as anti anna. Sad but true is that the government has failed in many aspects to curb corruption but by making the government to dance naked in front of the old man we are providing a very bad blow for the future. Negotiations must take place in a democracy. Pressure groups must direct the government, must not dictate it.
Messianismis belief in a messiah as the savior of humankind. The role of Messaiah,aka Jesus Christ, Martin Luther King, is to free people from vested interests who have either institutionalised corruption or hide behind various institutions created by the constitution. It is the mission of the messiah to break the strangle hold of vested interests misusing or abusing the constitutional institutions. Messiah is not bound by corrupted institutions. His role is to break them. He is not bound by the so called democracy which is made a mockery for the past 64 years in India.
Well written article balanced criticism and bang on target. Mr.Patnaik has clearly pointed out the drawback of the current movement that it is led by hero worship and the followers are not fully aware of their cause.
The points made by the author appear obviously correct. There have been many such articles/ arguments on the ongoing movement against corruption. It would be nice if credible and practical solutions suitable to the present day and culture are also advocated. But I am yet to come across such alternative method to bring about the changes in our democracy. The points made by the author are all essential part of a democracy; provided the people's representatives live upto their obligations fully. Can we say our representatives are really representing the general expectations of the society? In such a situation a section of the society has to take the initiative to bring about changes to our system. In this case it is was a tiny section under Anna Hazare. The discussions have been going on for months, and hence there were many opportunities for the civil society to contribute. It is highly desirable that we all consider how we can contribute to the discussion; not just find fault.
Just an addition to relentless attack by The Hindu to change the public's opinion to published one. Can the columnist please shed some light on the messianism followed within our government which is nothing but an Elected Monarchy being run by psychophancy than merit? Isn't the Indian citizen cornered and opting this method as a last resort? Every columnist these days is hammering Team India but no one is sugesting alternative feasible solutions which will definitely benefit the people. Waiting for the esteemed Parliament to do something about it no more an option as we have waited for more than 42 years for that. What result of us being Constitutional have yielded?
Do we really consider our state democratic?It does consist of public elected representatives but the similarity ends here. There is essentialy no involvement of public in a critical decision making system. When Team Anna was open to public debate on bill with the GOI, GOI simply backed out and instead closed all doors of negotiations. Messianism was 'opted' for when the democratic system failed. Although it will be naive to blindly believe in this form of protest, as the consequenses can be far reaching, but it has certainly given people stage to excercise their democratic rights.To believe that protesters have zero knowledge or implication of bill, would be undermining their intelligence.It is the belief in common-man like social reformist 'Anna' which has united youth and middle class of India like never before and protest peacfully against the egalitarian ways of governence. In a similar vein, Gandhiji was also undemocratic due to his non-violent movements, right??
We can keep on debating whether this is the right way to protest or not or does it amount to hijacking Indian democracy but one thing I am sure that this is the high time the message should go to Indian politicians that people of India are very concerned about corruption and there should be serious measure to curb. Unfortunately our Govt listens when people take extreme steps. Under any other circumstances this message would have fallen on deaf ears.
Sir, The society has progressed through messiah-ism throughout history time & again. While M. K. Gandhi was crowned as Mahatma & Bapu by two eminent thinkers of 20th century of Bengal, little did the former do for democracy inside his own flock - namely congress. The tradition remains in almost all the political parties of contemporary India. Moreover, the boundless number of supporters that congregated under the umbrella of Father of Nation, making congress members as a group a 'microscopic minority', were largely unaware of his causes & methods - they simply believed in one common ground - Independence! After the English left - the princely beacame the power brokers in the government and the landlords became union leaders. The honourable MPs do not represent the electorate with fidelity, who voted him into the round building! Without a 'none of these option' in elections this representative democracy is as legitimate as the period of emergency! Hence I can not but disagree!
Excellent write up Mr Patnaik. Your views are credible but I have a doubt. Why do you have to look at him as a messiah instead look at him as a leader. When the educated Indians fought against the British for freedom back in late 18th century, not many Indian's supported them. Are you trying to brand all of them - undemocratic?? Your Anna-substituting-Poople-owing-Messainism was a wonderful make up but its FALLIBLE. When Mr M K Gandhi wanted to start a non violent crusade against the British there was a NSC Bose who wanted to fight for the same freedom so are you trying to prove that he is a messiah just because he wasn't representing the majority? NO. An IDEA is immortal but it has no face and we tend to dismiss or ignore anything that is faceless and he is the face - a Leader. Leader may change but the virility of the Idea will never and it in fact would grow bigger enough to destroy anything that comes in its way. BTW are you calling Gandhism a throwback? Then sir I beg to differ.
THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME that Anna Hazare put forth the agony and frustration of the people of India. It is a peaceful movement to bring real freedom to this country. Let us think of the rampant corruption in every sphere of life. People can no more wait like FOOLS.
While I agree with Dr. Patnaik's views on the democracy, he missed an important aspect: It is no secret that the 'Parliamentarians' are not elected in the strict sense of democracy. If thousands throng the public square in support of the 'Messiah' openly, freely, and on their own volition, the 'plurality' that elected the Parliamentarians cannot claim to be so. For sure, one undemocratic action should not be undone another undemocratic one. But, the people who genuinely love democracy feel helpless in the face of the enormous power of money and muscle and hence are left only with limited options of Mr. Hazare or Mr. Indian! If it works, one cannot find fault with their attitude of 'end justifies the means'.
REQUEST to HINDU: Please don't carry such shallow and admirably theoretical articles. The author has no living sense of the primacy of truthful life nor an understanding of why such motive-forces should shape us and our institutions. And not the institutions shape us. Democracy is one means for man to organise his political life, not something that ought to be his primary 'guiding light'. Democracy if it serves man is welcome, but when it is not able to fulfil his aspirations (due to whatever circumstances), it need not become a sacred cow.
i am surprised by the shallowness of the analysis.our intellectuals are totally disconnected from ground realities. what sort of representative democracy we are talking of,where people are forced too choose among corrupt, feudal and criminal to least one. if democracy is deliberation to arrive on consensus for common prosperity than u think that govt is in any way try to incorporate people in that deliberation. Govt policy making, it working, all is opaque and it is fighting every inch against the transparency. it is naive thought that one day these people make a law in parliament to make govt more transparent and accountable and responsive to citizens desires and will weed out the corrupt one among themselves. see the response of political parties across the line. democracy is bargain tool between privileged class and mass. one of the rare occasion in indian history when people are making this bargain in unison let's hope for a comprehensive and effective law against the corruption.
Prabhat Patnaik ('Messianism versus democracy', The Hindu, Aug.24, 2011) fails to see the crux of the issue. It is unbelievable that he could not feel the storm of anti-corruption blowing across the country for some time now. He pretends to have no first hand information on the gathering at Ramlila grounds but confirms that it is there "with great enthusiasm and support, reportedly at Anna Hazare's fast". His prejudices against those arriving there is very clear when he describes them as un-informed, incapable to act with discrimination and understanding, dumb objects, not necessarily united and mere spectators. He looks equally down upon the Anna group by blaming them for not enlightening the those assembled at the grounds, sticking adamantly in an "Anna's-bill-has-to-be-adopted position", trying to establish "Anna's supremacy over Parliament", raising slogans like "Anna is India and India is Anna", underscoring "the shallowness of the roots of our democracy and merely targeting publicity through TV cameras. 'Messiah' he uses as a word of contempt, and, to him, does not mean a 'saviour'. His references to a quality Lokpal bill, RSS links of Anna, secularism and unelected 'messiah' brings out his prejudices once again. In totality, Patnaik's article results like the narration on the elephant by the proverbial blinds. He should also stand corrected that Hazare has no intention to impose his draft of the Jan Lokpal Bill upon Parliament. The civil society only wants the Bill to be an effective tool in, at least, reducing the level of corruption at the highest echelons of power. It is for the Government to arrive at a draft bill satisfying the above condition in consultation with the Opposition, different political parties, other organisations, the civil society and individuals, the government deems necessary. I will request Patnaik to read the article by Era Sezhiyan on the OP-ED page, the same day in the same daily. Thanks to Sezhiyan for his excellent write-up.
Patnaik's analysis seems to be more academic, but with stronger views. Indian democracy is a child infected with all type of ills. It needs treatment. Hence Messiah like Hazare has to come and give holy water!!! I don't think Hazare will become a benevolent dictator and his followers (all educated group with stong belief on democracy)will not allow him. The crux of the problem is-- we can win elections, we can get licenses, we can buy MPs, we can do wonders with MONEY in Indian democracy. Rich gets away with all their illgotten wealth. So we need a shock treatment like this in the form of Messainism
Being a regular "The Hindu" reader, I am not disturbed by these series of articles on Lokpal and Anna, but found the arguments are little out of touch and general assumptions (I doubt on their authenticity). Yes, there are few points made in the light of intelligentsia, but not quite connected with the ground realities. There was an "assumption" that people who are on the street, doesn't understand what's going on. I disagree. From my experience, I had seen people discussing, debating, and more importantly taking oaths to take this moment forward, by following rules individual and group actions. I don't know if this BILL is the best or not, I strongly feel, it should be debated honestly (I don't have faith in parliament's debate on this bill). I agree with the author more people should involve in the activity by letter and spirit than just cheer leaders, but sometimes, these cheer leaders will be change we want to see in future!
I don't understand what is the problem with these intellectuals and why do they assume that those who are out on the streets supporting Anna don't have any mind of their own. We know what we are supporting and what we are against. At least you can give us this credit. Here is a man who is fasting without blocking traffic. But no, you have no problem in denouncing those who block railway tracks and won't get up till their demands are met. Team Anna met the government so many times and they trusted that government will come up with a strong bill. But no. In the end you leave no choice for the people. And as for messianism, go back in history and you'll know all great ideas began with one person. If the idea or revolution had any worth, it has had its share of supporters.
Excellent and thought provoking essay by one an eminent academic and economist. In the rush to embrace the wisdom of the crowds we suspend disbelief of what we may well repent at leisure. Impatience and almost revolutionary zeal propels this motley group forward. The constitution is after all not cast in stone. The same bullying will see Jan Lokpal bill passed. I guess the immediate future will see the government: 1) bowing to blackmail, and a result, 2)accepting a 'big brother' organisation that watches over everyone in public service, practically without accountability. The immense damage this will do to the future of our nation is drowned out by the mass hysteria that we see. Regrettably, some of this, at least, is choreographed by corporate media.
I have got few points regarding this article.......should not we change constitutional order(keeping value of our preamble intact) if majority wants? is not Mahatma Gandhi was like a messiah during his first stage of struggle? Why we are saying it is a Anna bill, though it is quiet obvious that Bill has got more + points than - ones. Is democracy means betraying people after election/not with standing there expectation?If this is democracy den why we r not given choice of none of the above candidate in electronics ballot till now? Y all the parties r moving away from this proposal?But I agree that in Ramlila maidan healthy open discussion by different groups like Anna gr, Aruna roy gr., n other civil societies should have begun.
@reddy : "Democracy if it serves man is welcome, but when it is not able to fulfil his aspirations (due to whatever circumstances), it need not become a sacred cow". This is truly an amazing statement to make. I can only fervently hope - despite my serious doubts - that Anna and team are not similarly inclined. But I agree, its best not to hide behind the shallow "the people are behind us" banner- when the data does not provide any verifiable evidence. Essentially this movement has more than a tinge of fascism but then the Anna brigade doesnt really care or realize the risks ...
An article to enlighten people of India who are willing to support Anna Hazare ; but do not understand what is actually to be done. Janlokpal of Hazare solely can't eradicate corruption from India. It is only they who can be moralistic.And do not participate in the practice of corruption. How many among the mob have never been a part of any corruption from any side. It is the duty of Anna's team to enlighten them also not only government. If people have gathered around you ; you should show them the right way. No doubt Anna is doing well; but he should take oath from the people of India ; that they will never commit an action of corruption. If 1000000 people of India will follow this ; there will be no need of Lokpal in the country. Thank You for injecting new view over the issue, Mr Patnaik.
With due respect to the writer's point of view, Messianism is an integral part of this country's politics. Gandhi was given cult status thanks to this very phenomenon. The middle class which has been accused of a herd mentality has issues which are mostly oversimplified by the intelligentsia. It would be wrong to discredit the people on the streets with a generalization that they have not internalized the problem. The core issue of corruption is very much a part of their conscious and their frustration. The people do gather in numbers, but they are also "the people" of this country. They are a voice, irrespective of statistics. 540 members of the Parliament dictate to this 153 million in the country. The very contract of the Constitution requires the government to fulfill its obligations before it expects the people to abide. The people have to raise their voices when the government has repeatedly failed them and left them no resort.Following a messiah does not imply a lack of rationale.
People are against corruption -- but they don't know the difference between the 2 versions of the bill.
Nice article sir. But after going through the comments i dont understand as to why on earth people compare present Independent Indian govt to British Raj and Anna Hazare with Gandhi Ji. Both are different - educated people please open your eyes wide open and view the situation. Dont be driven by false consciousness.
When Gandhi led the Freedom Struggle, were the people who thronged his agitations representative of the people of India? It is naive and immature to suggest that there is an absolute people's mandate for anyone including Gandhi during freedom struggle. Anna Hazare represents the aspirations of the people in respect to handling corruption in public life. LokPal bill as proposed by Anna will be effective because of a) its independence from the legislature and the executive, and b) fast tracking of investigation and prosecution. Intellectuals intellectualize everything, politicians stall what they do not like citing process and technicalities. The truth is that if the government wished they could have tabled a bill for an independent LokPal and passed it in both houses quite easily and fast. Right now, the Congress is taking the heat for taking a position that all political parties secretly support -- that is, scuttle the LokPal and make it a government lap dog.
Looks like you are being too theorotical of Democratic System, which is good, however you are not throwing the light about the dominance of the party structure in our political system, which is the very essence of the failure of democracy. Don't you know a) people only vote for parties and not for individuals, b) people only vote for religious and minority related beliefs irrespective of the candidates criminal or corruption charges, c) there is so much of 'gundagardi' or 'power' involved by which no ordinary citizen can dare to stand for elections d) don't you know many elections are won by merely paying around 100-500 Rs to the people who rely on daily wages e) don't you know many of the elections in the rural and few urban areas are still won by misconduct ( eg. allegations about Chidambrams current loksabha seat win) f) don't you know the entire vigilance system works for the ruling party. I'm sorry to say we have terribly failed in the democratic system.
Our political system creates messiahs because members of the legislature cannot take a point of view contrary to that dictated by their political party; and political parties in our country are controlled by High Commands, Central Committees, Polit Bureaus, Behenjis, Ammas, and the like. Poor people clamour for them in the hope of freebies -- free food, house, jobs, TVs, Laptops, reservation. We should release our legislators from this prison and allow them to take independent positions on all issues that come before the legislature. A constituency should be allowed to recall its member for not representing them in the house.
Every human must DO THE RIGHT THING. If corruption is not good for the body politic of a nation, it must go, NOW. The nation (and the people that constitute it) must be able to enjoy a corruption-free life WITHIN THE ACTIVE LIFETIME OF AN INDIVIDUAL, not decades later. It is this lack of urgency and attention to priorities that prevails in the nation today. This is what MUST GO. Anna is only a vehicle for this change. He may not be the most organised leader, but at least he is not for any display of violence. That is enough for the present.
I think the writer loses his plot in the very first paragraph where he writes "Anna-will-keep-fasting-until-his-bill-is-adopted-or-amended-with-his-permission," which amounts to holding a gun to the head of the Centre, and by implication of Parliament, and dictating that the bill it has produced must be passed, or else mayhem will follow. This isn't what Anna is trying to do. Such voices may be heard from some people who go overboard in expressing thier views. The writer must not consider the voice of such people and understand that what Anna is asking is only to place his version of the JLB before the parliament for a healthy debate.
Very good article at the right time. The Hindu's efforts are really commendable. We, people must aware and should alienate such type of protests which are in unconstitutional methods, that might leads to the nation in wrong way, giving wrong messages that by staging protests,fasts, we can do anything and can 'black mail' the govt. Think of a situation like as these groups form an "anti-reservation movement" in the future by proclaiming that reservations are spoiling and degrading our education and so it should be eradicated and implement the merit systems in education institutions. Definitely in the future this group will form such type of movement and gathering of crowds would be more than what we see nowadays. So we should beware of these groups! The Socio-Religious Corruption is more Dangerous than Monetary Corruption. As Dr.Ambedkar told, political equality without equality in socio-economic life can't form a strong political structure.
In this case many people have a herd mentality. They don't know what the leader says and why. Sometimes the leader is led by others who channel his thoughts. If Team Hazare were to stand for elections, with the same agenda, how many people would vote for each of them? What happens when Team Hazare realizes after a year or two, after execution of their demands, that they were wrong? Will they fast to death? Will the same people then support them? Simply adopting some of the Mahatma's techniques do not make one a Gandhian. Many of Team Hazare's people ought to be commended for the good work they have done in the past. However, that does not mean that they should ram their ideas onto the rest of a democratic people. This is terrorism, plain and simple. I commend the writer for opening sensible people's thoughts and minds. I hope that many will read it with an open mind and not with per-concieved opinions, like many of the comments I see here.
Dr. Patnaik has indeed done a commendable job highlighting the other side of the picture. It's true that idol worship or messianism is not a good signal for our democratic principles and values. But we must also realise that such a situation has arisen only because the elected representative failed us in most of the aspects. But will Lokpal end all the mess in public life? People in general should realise that we ourselves are the perpetrators of corruption. We cannot escape from that reality and put the blame on the politicians and the bureaucrats. We ourselves have to clean the mess. We bribe the police to escape routine harassment, it is we who procure rice through PDS meant for BPL people......Have we ever given a thought to it???????
Like in India today, there was similar foment in Germany in the late 30s when they found a messiah in Hitler. Hitler came to power with strong nationalistic slogans and a hope for a better future. democracy was thrown to the winds after that and the military was compromised. That resulted in a dictatorship where Hitler was worshiped. Is history repeating itself here ?
Why is the Hindu so obsessed with publishing articles that conveniently forget the issue in hand and solely succeed in launching personal attacks on Anna Hazare. If messianism is anti-democratic, what does the author say of the Mahathma ? Was he not the messiah who brought democracy to India ? When unworthy, corrupt politicians can rise to a demi-god status, why not a honest, simple satyagrahi in Anna do that ? When the top level bureaucrats and ministers were busy looting public money, everybody was quiet; but when someone dared to stand up and question them and made every single corrupt politician run for his/her cover, every columnist, arm-chair theorist and 'self-proclaimed' radical wants a share of the pie. When corruption is rampant and at an unprecedented level, why not a Lokpal Bill that has equally far-reaching jurisdiction and wide powers ? Every honest Indian will support the 'truth' in this anti-corruption crusade. Others will eat the pie and be contented with it.
The article is a washed down version of Arundhati Roy's article this week. Just that the author was not bold enough to state what he believed in, and still wanted to be with the larger herd.
The basic flaw in this reasoning is that all people supporting the movement are ignorant spectators. While many people that gather on the street may appear so, mostly because most the elite class prefers to support this from the comfort of their homes or through articles, does not mean that majority supporting the movement are ill informed. A great number of academics, scholars and common citizens like myself have taken the trouble to investigate and understand the Jan lokpal before deciding to support the movement. While I agree this may not be the ideal way, I feel this is the only way left. When the elected representatives have let me down , and I do not have the courage or ability to do anything myself, I am forced to support the next best option. I wonder why all these intellectuals and advocates of democracy never bothered to raise a finger against the burning issue of corruption.
This writer appears to be not part of India where the word democracy is buried comfortably by the vested interests. The writer played some jugglery using funny words.He must have written this article by sitting in an air conditioned room.You people can't do anything except writing this kind of stuff. People in turn write tons and tons of comments which are nothing but futile efforts. The politicians of all parties,the bureaucrats, the public sector employees etc. have raped our Country to the extreme and you talk about democratic endless debates etc. Where do all the democratic debates lead to? People from all parts of the Country including highly educated and highly qualified are following Anna Hazare not without any reason. Better join the movement instead of keep on writing meaningless articles.
I am glad finally people are realizing the problems with Anna Hazare's movement and the media is publishing these views. Today I hear that Infosys Narayanamurthy and Veteran Parliamentarian caution emphatically that the moment we let these movements make bills there is end of parliamentary democracy. We will end up in Anarchy. India is country of 1.2 billion; you can always find few million people to cheer for any cause. Probably the sleaze swamy Nithyanada has also a million followers. Should we let whatever his wishes to be made into law, if he decides to fast until death in Ramlila maian?
I think this analysis though it sounds logical is flawed because of wrong premises. Logic should rest on premises. Premise here is that Democracy is bigger than Anna. No one is denying that. The practical matter is that not everyone need to be as keen as Anna at the same time. So best way is to support the person doing the job. That is called Captaincy. Editor of Hindu holds the key for things happening in Hindu. He is more committed, that is why his employees support. Same holds good for a cricketing team, a movie (director is captain). So Anna is that representation of People's anger. It is easy to talk about one person for practical issues rather than diffuse it among broad junta. Everyone is not supporting Anna because he is stylish like Rajinikanth. Most of the people supporting him have looked at the sheer logic hitting at your face when you read jan lokpal. it is cunning politicians who are hide behind useless jargons like parliamentary supremacy. Please re-analyse and write.
Good article indeed. Well such Messianism is threat to Democracy. One can only wonder the way ongoing agitation going on and the adamant stand taken by Team Anna, attitude of "With Me or Against Me","Our Bill is Supreme","Pass it At any cost" etc and the way Political Class including the Government's Way of handling the issue, opposition's Opportunistic stand Reaffirms that Arrogance, Mob Mentality is Reflected in the Current Elected Politicians as well..
Hi Prabhat, Stop doing Meta analysis of this movement and bring your points on what is wrong with JanLokPal. People are not blindly accepting it. You think they are objectified. But no, they arent. When a person is fasting, you cannot expect them to explain things to people during that time. People are already informed, Kiran Bedi has already sent notes. Arvind Kejriwal has already expounded on differences between Jan Lokpal and Lokpal logically. Volunteers have boarded trains in Mumbai and explained it. It is on facebook and various other media. It is your selective viewing of things that has led you to wrong data and information. Take this time and let us know what is wrong with the Jan LokPal. Personally, I DO NOT EVEN CARE HOW IT COMES OUT. If it benefits every Indian, which I believe it will, So be it.
It is a great article by Patnaik. Hero worship is visible in this agitation. A good analysis of modern democracy. Anna is everything to even great intellectuals who are supporting in the form of cheerleaders.
The article has academic appeal but it ignores the ground reality in India and the role of elites and how decisions and laws are actually made. Given the massive poverty and illiteracy among our people, it is imperative that civic-minded persons provide leadership on critical issues. India's law-makers and implementers have horribly failed to deal with all-pervasive corruption. The writer doubts that folks at Ramlila grounds understand what they are doing and at the same time says ordinary persons are not involved. While India does hold elections and has some other theoretical trappings of a democracy, the workings of our institutions and officials have a long way to go to before their main focus can be considered to be serving the people. One big shortcoming is the corruption that everybody knew about but has failed to take seriously. Anna and his team, call them messaihs if you wish, have already rendered invaluable service by putting corruption at the top of the national agenda.
I feel that the article is partisan.Anna and associates have made their arguments public so many times.what we have seen so far is that great support for jan lokpal bill among urban folks who r well informed n educated. in democracy also we need leaders Anna is among them.he is the face of Indian people
I do not agree with author's argument that people are supporting Anna and his team because he has a charismatic personality and the issue of jan lokpal was not debated at all. In fact, the matter was hugely debated on news channels, where team Anna gave their reason for the importance of implementing the law and bringing prime minister under lokpal. They also told people how lokpal, being investigating agency, cannot act as a dictator. People who are presently supporting Anna are doing so after listening to the debates and not just because he said their favorite word 'corruption'. Moreover, democracy is not just about voting and debating. The mass movements becomes important for improving the democratic process, when we want politicians to act against themselves. Author seems to think that our representatives are so good that they will pass the bill and limit their powers if we could just convince them about its benefits. If this was true, their would not have been any need of Lokpal.
It's viewed that India's different and this's getting reflected the way we are responding to the write up of a noted academician and economist of India Professor Prabhat Pattnaik on Messianism versus democracy.The World is watching us.Even few of we Independent Indian's have forgotten how we should address to a teacher who has made many careers in his life,who has better understanding on society and who have analyzed us & our social values at a long run.At one end we are pretending to be democratic with Gandhian thoughts and at the other end we are advocating in an undemocratic way not to include the article in Hindu and etc.We must respect values if we really wanted to be true Indians.I as a middle class Indian read the article repeatedly concluded Professor Prabhat Pattnaik has put lots of practical insights into it which should be looked by Anna Team and Government of India as India the largest democracy of world does not mean 1 or 2 lakh people at Ramlila Maidan,it is beyond that....
The vulnerability of the Indian Public to adopt hero-worship (as described in the OP-ED article 'Ambedkar's way and Anna's way' published on August 23,2011) and substitution the 'people' for a 'messiah' ('Messianism versus Democracy') brings out a very basic characteristic of our society, where obedience, devotion and sacrifice take supremacy over reason. The heirarchal and patriarchal structure of the society stem from the restricted freedom to debate and question authority, and are also reflected in the student-teacher and the child-parent relationships. The lack of any focus and debate on the alternate version of Lokpal drafted by Aruna Roy during the protests reflects the erroneous equation of Jan Lokpal Bill with Anna Hazare. This is definitely not a good sign.
Very good article and a balanced one.Established norms should not be bypassed.It has become 'with us' or 'against us' situation .Those who give an alternative view have become supporters of corruption as per Team ANNA's View .This is not good for a country like us. There are many other views which should be incorporated in the proposed bill for which people have elected the parliment.As per the team ANNA 80% people are supporting their version and this governement is elected by less than 20% of the people by giving some statistics.All the MPs won the elections supervised by Election commmission of India.It is no the case for them.Today all the parties do not want to by pass the procedure,end the fast etc (which are common) If we go by the same theory then 60 - 65 % of India say the same.So the team ANNA should realize that.But whatever may be outcome of this issue, it is going to unleash another wave of hunnger strikes on various other issues.
this a very bookish view-point,good only for academic discussions or t,v.panel brouhaha . how will you analyze J.P.'s 1975 movement,during emergency days. Then it was also a people's movement against the atrocities of Indira dynasty on people of India.Every one rallied around with Jaiprakash Narayain,the messiah. We have to anchor around a messiah as his actions and words are easily heard and seen otherwise who listens to the aam aadmi?
why we Indians always put Indians down for any cause.Why does the writer think that people who are marching have no sense of representing them selves in a Democratic society.Is there any other way out.Its been 65 years.Please wake up.
What makes the Author think the common people behind Anna don't think and act and they just support a person. Its actually the author who's thinking is misguided and mis represented. A common man has right to protest and right to demand for what is rightfully his. If anything Anna's Demand has exposed how the govt machinery fails to move when it needs to act for the common man in favour of the majority. Only few people with vested interest who can run up the power corridor and grease the hands of those in power can get the govt to act in their self interest. Is not the govt going front and back giving false promises each day? What is wrong when Anna asks for a time line. What is so difficult in having a plan and establishing a Timeline where all parties can work together and bring a strong bill. Democracy and Parliamentry process are fine and it is ok to debate. But even they should be time bound have an action.
While I agree with Dr. Patnaik, on the issue of Team Anna using blackmail and also the fact that a lot of people are coming on the street only with the idea of "fight against corruption" but really do not know the full version of the two bills and do not even know that a third version as proposed by NCPRI exists; i donot agree that the Parliament is Sacrosanct. What with criminals sitting in the Parliament how can that be? I mean, if indeed the past govt's and especially the current ones had indeed respected our constitution, then we wouldn't have had so many scams. we would not have had so much subverting of existing laws. However, it does n't mean we the people should let ourselves be led by another set of "blind worshippers" to formulate a law that could be a monster with absolute powers. We need people to look beyond the black and white and actually think, debate and then come to an informed decision. and that's not being allowed by Team Anna, just like our Governments.
Hazare is challenging the elected representatives - not just the Cong Govt - for a fair fight. He didn't ask that President sign Jan Lokpal into a law, but just test it in the parliament. So this is a true test for our politicians (cutting across party lines) to show if they are willing to uphold the sanctity of Parliamentary democracy by defeating Jan Lokpal bill. Better yet, the Parliament can craft a new bill based on Jan Lokpal bill and pass it. I'm sure the people of India will accept the outcome, whether they like it or not. People are rallying behind Hazare, because he has shown the courage and leadership to make people believe and follow him.
Anna hazare fulfills he expectations of the middle class to have an icon who will deliver them from the evil. They do not realise that they themselves are the root of all this corruption.let us see how many supporters of this messiah can say with their hands on their hearts that they have not paid a bribe? the whole thing is a melodrama for he benefit of gullible people. There is no doubt that all political parties are corrupt but is his group above that? It is agreed that all have the right to protest and go on a fast if they dont want to eat! But expecting the parliament to pass a law because he is going on a fast is too simplistic.
The author makes a valid point when he talks about messianism and that arises in our country many a times when people are ignorant about what or who they are behind. Mostly it is because of the desperation of the people to see justice and equality in our 'democracy' that they are willing to put their blind faith in a benevolent and belligerent leader who comes along, in this case Anna. However this reflects that the people are sheep and even if Anna has his way they will still be sheep. For our country to be a true democracy each one of us needs to be aware of this fight so that we can make our contribution to it and not be a 'mob'. I agree with the author that what is happening now is messianism and not democracy and this movement should be headed by 'the people' and not a face or a 'messiah'. And this must remain true forever. The final voice that prevails should be of 'the people', of prevalent awareness, logic and social equity of a society which does not need a hero.
Messianism is not entirely anathema to a democracy. I believe a messiah like Suu Kyi in Myanmar is a healthy form of expressing discontent over any kind of oppression. But Anna declaring this campaign as a "second struggle for freedom" equating himself to Mahatma and the support from BJP & RSS makes me wary. I seriously doubt their motives.
Reading through the article made me feel good that i wasnt the only one thinking on these lines. Reading through the comments, i can see that those people who have similar views as mine are a bit more relaxed in voicing the opinions than those who are pro-Anna.When you use CAPS to type out things, it shows your anger. your angst and your desperation.
I just can't believe that such an article was allowed to publish in the Hindu!! Such a poor analysis and totally biased one! How did the author come to a conclusion that the people who support Anna are just enthusiastic without any morals by their own? very childish and foolish conclusion. This is not a political movement where people do not apply their brains. Whoever participate there are not illiterate, most of them are highly educated and with high profile jobs, including myself. They are not under any political branding which forces them to participate without even knowing what it is! It is something very obvious and I am wondering what in the world made Prabhat to think like this!
It is once agian intellectual analysis. I do agree upon what the Mr. Patnaik says about democracy in good time and well governed democarsy. But when things go bad to worse and no one seems to be responsible for any type of corruption, somebody has too stand up and give voice to millions of people. Mr. Anna has done great service to India. It will surely bear furit in due time of which you and me will benefit. God bless Anna.
a well balanced article, only THE HINDU can publish such article, which goes against the frenzy of the moment. Just think for a moment if the politicians who are corrupt and cases are pending against them can muster a huge crowed and demand that the cases against them be with drawn or they will fast unto death or some such threat, where will be democracy, or the law and order? Let us think rationally and allow the parlament and judiciary to function without out side pressures. if we really think that the people's representatives in parliament and assemblies are not worth, let us change them in the next elections. we did that many times in the past and that is the strength of democracy. the bloodless change of governement is what is earning lot of respect for India all over the world. let us not loose it.
Sane voices still prevail. It's more than one can ask for in these truly shallow times. Prabhat Patnaik...Respects !
Sir, you are grossly mistaken. I guess your data comes from articles in this paper. Because, there are definitely groups of people in Chennai, Bangalore and I am sure in ramlila maidan as well who are educating(about the bill) whoever is coming and asking for it. I having done it myself in Chennai and my friends have done it in Bangalore. Please, you may have different opinions, but please dont' distort the facts.
What you call messiahism is not so in itself, Team Anna were doing something which people (as visible to you also I hope) are wholeheartedly supporting and hence the movement becomes a people's movement. Otherwise why do you praise the Gandhis and Nehrus of the pre independence era, since they were essentially playing the same role that a Anna and his supporters are playing today. The INC in the pre independence era had a lot of leaders who played messiahs and you donot ever condemn them? I do agree that the information should be made clear to the people, but the same thing can be done by the other side to call the bluff of the 'Messiah'. But the govt here is no more capable of doing it since they have lost all credibility in the eyes of the people who helped them be in govt by the numerous actions in the past yr ranging from cover ups as a part of coalition dharma to the ridiculous symbolism of putting a anti corruption crusader with people accused of probably the biggest corruption.
Well written article, but i see that THE HINDU is systematically producing articles to undermine the jan lokpal movement. What i don't understand is why the tone of these articles refer to maintain the >status quo in the anti-corruption landscape in the country. We understand that out of all the political systems, democracy is the best option for lack of better solutions. A revolution when and where it happens is bound to make some changes to that contract for better or for worse.Rejecting a movement solely on the idea that it goes against the spirit of the agreed-upon social contract reeks of being pedantic.
Absolutely correct Prof. Patnaik though Anna's fight is justifiable the way he and his team has adopted is totally unacceptable.Tomorrow another massiah will come and may make another undemocratic demands e.g. may ask for seperate kashmir,may ask for khalistan and if majority of kashmiris will move with him shall we seperate out kashmir?Tomorrow these backward people (which comprises 85 % of Indias population ) will come on roads and may ask the government to cease property of forward caste because the have exploited us for 3000 years ,then what?See no one wants corruption all are equally suffered because of this but there are methods to get that lokpal bill passed but not the way anna is following.
I salute Mr Patnaik for his wonderful article. Anna and his team have taken the whole nation/parliament on ransom. He and his team has no right to force his will on the people. This is a new tactic by RSS people to usurp power and divert the attention from main issues. Corruption with one Lokpal bill is not going to finish once and for all. Anna is a RSS palnted guy and according to few article he is anti dalit and communal as well. Where was Anna when on the name of MARATHI manus the Bihari/UP-ites were bitten mercilessly, where was he when Narender Modi was slaughtering Muslims, Where was he sleeping when farmers are committing suicide and what is his views on female infanticide, dowry death etc. He simply jumped on the bandwagon of sloganeering of Corruption as it was a right product to sell and he used it as a tool to reach few hundred thousand people - mainly rss/bjp cadre or upper caste /middle class people. Government must make a law to curb anna/ramdev type of fast.
messiah becomes a necessity when the whole world around us becomes corrupt. People love messiahs and support them when they find a new leader whom they can trust. Unfortunately, our democracy is no longer the same one as envisaged by its founders. Majority of our politicians are corrupt, and when a person like Anna Hazzare does something to correct our system of governance, its natural that any sane person would support him. People who speak against this movement must understand that our constitution was made by the people and for the people and hence we have every right to change it when the situation calls for it. The politicians and intellects should understand that Democracy and our constitution are not above people. People have every right to change it if they feel so. Do you think the politicians who ask questions and bring about bills in the parliament based on their personal interests and interests of business lobbies represent the interests of the entire population? Change is persistent. Better accept it.
I disagree with the author. He doesn't understand the mood of the nation at all. His argument that the people participating in the movement are merely spectators and have no idea about what the movement is all about can be described at best as naive. In fact people have been watching as spectators when the politicians, bureaucrats, police, criminals and businessmen when they all collude and loot, defraud, deny them justice and basic rights. The man on the street thinks of this movement as a ray of hope, an opportunity to bring change. I agree that not everyone understands the nuances of the bill, but they all know what it is about and what it is intended to do. I would think of all the supporters of this movement, whether or not they have actively participated in it or not, as people who are optimist who believe that things can be changed for better.
Firstly i would like to point out the coldness regarding Governments approach in tackling corruption. Why there is a big issue in accepting simple clauses mentioned in the bill? Vital points which have been suggested by Anna and his team makes sense and I don’t personally feel he is trying to get supremacy over the parliament! Why does he has to waste his time and energy in doing all this propaganda. He would be really happy if he stays in Ralegoan Sidhi and do nothing. He has stood up for a cause! People have the actually lost the thresh hold of dealing with issues relating to corruption and they need a genuine leader like Anna to represent their voice. At least people in Ram Lila maidan have stood up for something !! What are you doing from your end? Writing debatable article won’t really help us! We are looking here for a change in system which can curb corruption from grass root level. Anna is motivating people and making them aware about repercussions which we can face in the nea
Interesting article and people's view on the current hot topic
Excellent article and I fully subscribe to the points. Though the cause of Team Anna's fight is noble, but the urgency shown is inexplicable. Further the corruption is not only prevalent in Public domain but is ingrained in our culture. Leaving the law making process to the Parliament, Team Anna can concentrate on educating the people the ill effects of giving corruption. Further, the laws for a particular country are always made thro' iterative process or based on prevailing practices in different countries and undergoes amendments based on the requirements. So Team Anna has to be patient and practical, if they have real interest in having an effective law which has a broad based consensus. Forming a monolithic structure at one go, will result in urgent need of nearly 30000 honest men!!! any takers?! Let us start practising what we require by law instead of being carried away by the hyperbolic statements of Team Anna and the media backed spectacle being organised at Ramlila ground.
I completely agree with Mr. Patnaik. We should never forget that it is the 'law of land' that distinguishes between 'anarchy' and 'order'. People keep forgetting the difference between Messianism and Democracy is that the later is temporary, we can always vote for a better Govt in 5 yrs time. Dr Ambedkar had warned against such 'hero worship' and coercive practices that is openning democracy to a 'grammer of anarchy' with unprecedented ramifications.
Good article, but how did we arrive here.Refuse to televise Civil Society/Govt.Lokpal discussion,further not release audio.Mudslinging and pushing issues which are obiviously wrong,like selection of Lokpal.It is important to educate and motivate the citizens in governance. Not listening to valuable advise from the opposition. All this indicates that there is something wrong.The right route is also extremely murky through the ballot box, where money power works and lot of lies and mudslinging is involved.It is like operating tonsils via the rectum, seemingly protest is through the mouth,thus popular. Shastri as a railway minister resigned because of train accident,on moral grounds. No body resigns now with such huge scams coming to light. Therefore we have got these kind of revolts, our politics is in decay. Spokesperson and politician both in power and opposition with a straight face and through their teeth talks lies.Wrong is visible and workable soltion is blocked by politicans.
So often in Independent India's history, Congress = Nehru-Gandhi family. Was that not Messianism? The democracy has already been weakened by dynastic politics. What Anna Hazare says has struck a chord among many who are in disillusionment of our democratic system which by and large has been a failure for last 65 years.
One can't accept,parliament,democracy and constitution as the untouchable 'holy cows' because it is the 'right thing'to do.Apartheid and unjust wars came out of the very such institutions. One can go back in the immediate past history of the world and find it. Ironically, it was the activism of the people in the respective countries that had changed such corruptions in every instance. Similar criticism was brought in by the establishment then, against those who stood against such legalized injustices. 'Mesiah phobia' may be seen as fashionable,adult and mature but it is the power of the 'committed one' that had inspired others who remained silent and hopeless untill then.
I completely agree with Mr Patnaik. Though the objectives are in the true benefit of the nation, the proceedings are not! Messianism is what have the followers made this movement into. It is not democracy and may lead to chaos if left undirected. The adherence of the team on the proposal despite having some minor flaws displays that the team has deviated from their original objective. Well, I do support the movement but in a slightly different way and not the way most protesters are doing.
The messiah concept has been too farfetched and anna hazare might have reached that stage only due to adherence of the govt to complicit and squalid personalities.It has never exuded confidence in making a lokpal law which would have been powerful.Its not normal for people to go to streets and press for their demands every now and then .But this is how public is going to vent off its frustruation under extraordinary circumstances and such has been govt's arrogance.Govt's were overthrown in Middle east.People wishes are parmount and somewhere down the line govt must understand that parliamentry supremacy flows from the will of people and they support Anna.
Hindu is really different from other papers in stimulating thinking on the current situations and the unintended consequences of Anna approach. Let us not follow the crowd behaviour. It is true people are disillusioned with their elected representatives. Most of the middle class (Most them influenced by Anna's approached) are selfish and have bred nepotism. How many of them go to polling place to votes? How many of them have paid corruption for benefits circumventing the rules? Our society itself is corrupt. Unless we make efforts to acknowledge that the problem lies with us, no amount of Lok Pal can stem the corruption out. .
Unfortunately the elected representatives have let down the people of this nation. You don't need an Anna or others to fight against corruption. It's a service that the MPs have to undertake to serve people. But those idiots, for all these years, have just played 'parliamentary politics' resulting into nothing substantial. >Therefore, Mr. Patnaik, some 'people' of this nation have decided to leave logic behind and come on streets to support a messiah, because our MPs don't have any respect for the sentiments or needs of the people of this nation. The utter lack of response shown by govt. and it's ministers to this people's movement has led to this mistrust. Ponder over these questions and please write another article on them Mr Patnaik: 1. Wouldn't it be nice that PM took the centre-stage on this discussion on corruption and take some concrete steps to exhibit their govt.'s seriousness? 2. Couldn't the opposition parties in this nation over the years ensure accountability of govt.?
Insightful article. It made me realize the responsibility that each member of a functioning democracy bears in ensuring our rights are not hijacked. It also reminds us that critical decisions regarding our nation's future need to be made knowledgeably,thoughtfully and calmly with respect and attention to diverse views.
Why do we Indians need gurus, messiahs, supermen and dynastic family members to solve our problems? Why do we relinquish our agency, as thoughtful, intelligent humans, to solve our problems? Is this necessity not a sign that we are colonized still in our heads?
We have to ask ourselves seriously what democracy means to us, what price we are willing to pay to perserve it and how democratic a country we want India to be.
We have some serious nation building ahead of us.
Thank you, Mr. Patnaik.
Mr.Patnaik has raised a very important concern regarding this campaign turning into a show of hero worship. I bet 75 % of people dont even know the major points of contention between govt's draft and jan lokpal bill. But the thing that emerges out of this whole quagmire is that people are visibly disappointed from present govt's handling of the rot of corruption which is so pervasive and has shook very foundations of the democracy. As the present constitutional system donot allow us to a RIGHT TO RECALL, people only have,therefore, gandhian way of protest which i think people are doing right now. Also regarding the writers complaint about educating masses regarding nuances of jan lokpal , there was recently an educatory session at ramlilla grounds which i was fortunate to attend. So i agree that this campaign has taken a messainic mould but this is only form that can work in india till illiteracy is shunted out of the great nation.
I do not accept the points of the author. In current scenario, there are inherent conflicts of interest for the entire group of politicians to come up with a strong lokpal bill. (this is very similar to the previous women reservation bill). Talking on failure of democracy, even long before this agitation, in India - democracy is not in its acceptable level. Most of the times, people do not even have a choice, it is more often choosing a less harmful guy over a more harmful one, India never had a true democracy that rationally represented any majority of people on any issue. Here is where Anna's significance come in to picture. He unites people on issues of grave significance, he is symbolic, but he represents a true picture of democracy bigger than any other symbolic elements that we have right now. An alternate to this model is to put issues that require law making in to ballot paper (like US for eg.)and let people of India decide law making and then parliament has to make it a law.
Do you regard the corrupt immoral politicians as true representatives of Indians? This may work in an ideal democracy but ours in not ideal as in most other democracies. The politician thinks he has ultimate power and is abusing the power on the lines of a dictatorial or feudal establishment. Anna Hazare is a true representative of the masses as his agenda chimes with the collective set of issues that face the common Indian.
Several misleading statements: 1) 'Government's flip-flops are indicative of incompetence.' Govt's flipflots are not an issue; The absence of any intention to pass an effective Lokpal bill is the problem. 2) "Anna's flipflops are no less striking." There are no flipflops in what Anna has been saying. Anna without people's support is nothing. In a democracy where the people's will is supreme, it's mandatory that a democratic government (if UPA II is that) MUST listen to them.
The pseudo-intellectual view presented here smacks of ignorance. India is a democracy first and a parliamentary democracy next. The government breaking the 'democracy' part is using the 'parliamentary' part as a fig leaf. The pseudo-intellectuals haven't been to been to bend a single hair on the goverment's head. They are content with arm-chair criticism. Now, that Anna is making the government to see people's view, the pseudo-intellectuals do what comes naturally to them -- criticize, except this time.
Supporters of Anna should try and refrain from reacting to any criticism as a personal attack on thier moral fiber. In a recent TV 'debate', any opposing even alternate viewpoint was declared 'cynical', 'negative' and 'traitor-like' by well known personalities. Any lengthy debate aside people are choosing to lead campaigns signatures in blood and cheerleading 'Anna hats'. This gets the most coverage in the media, who have sunk to a new low. How is gheraoing of MP's legal? Is intent sufficent justification? As seen in this thread, that intent has several shades of grey. Speaking of moral fiber, for as long as corruption is seen a restoration of morality and not an systemic inefficiency that allocates disproportionate capital, solutions will be subjective and policing rather than preventive action.
Mr.Patnaik somehow wants us to believe that our system of democracy and the social contract that the Constitution lays out is working perfectly well. If that is indeed the case, as he asserts,we do not need a messiah. That Utopian view of our current system has no basis. And the current ruling dispensation has demonstrated in no insignificant way, that it is a reluctant player when it comes to curbing any challenge to its ability to enrich itself at the cost of the country. The Congress has been almost mulish in refusing to recognise or act on corruption. And when no one else in the political system takes the initiative to bring things back on track, then it devolves on the 'messiah' to coerce a reluctant system to rethink its stance. And that is what is happening. If it was not for Anna, corruption would not have been brought to the 'top of mind awareness' of our political class to legislate on. Mr.Patnaik's contention is therefore without basis.
Dear Mr.Patnaik, I would like to ask a simple question to you, where were you till now to enlighten people against the messiah? The people of this country were seeing scam after scam on a daily basis. The 'so called' intellectuals were enjoying everything from the establishment of their choice. They were not 'seen' anywhere protesting against the rampant corruption happening in front of us. The people of this country is proudly come up to fight the corruption. Please support those fighters, even if it is through a messiah!
This article offers a real insight in the perspective of history. But one should add that even those who do not feel the Constitution is a real contract with the Indian people might ask whether Anna represents such a contract.
The herd mentality of our people is never going to change. Some people really believe they can call someone like Prabhat Patnaik a 'pseudo-intellect,' without even knowing what his contribution to our great country is. This article by Prabhat should be taught in schools and universities; his words of wisdom shouldn't be lost in this pseudo-patriotic roar of the herd. The scariest scenario is Ashok Singhal going on a fast in Delhi, asking the government to pass a bill to build the Ram Temple in Ayodhya. Manmohan Singh must resign and call for fresh elections. Team Hazare should fight the election; maybe that will be the watershed moment in India's political history.
it is heart warming in the days, when i find it difficult to believe in a god, to find that the writer believes with such passion in the constitution of india. It's almost like our belief in the geeta quran and bible. At least the constitution, some would argue, would need a check and amend, once in a while. can a govt do this, in our kind of indirect, multiparty democracy, where a strong personalty/party in a state is automatically a challenge to the central leadeship. our pm, now and at other times is a pawn indirectly selected. All we refer to the coalition politics as janata ka mandate it is a state of growing entropy. A state, where for govt to directly change constitution,is an act of faith unjustified by reason. So yes we need leaders once in a while, who are larger than parties and religions(hopefully). how to get these leaders, religion?( not the best route), war?, freedom fighters?( in good old days) or a social revolution(best bet recall)
I think Bapu too was a messiah for us during our freedom struggle. The
mass followed him with a hope that he will be able to free us from the
chains of Colonial power through satyagraha(non-violence).
Your "serious concern" for "messianism" that "underscores the pre-modernity of our society" is unfounded. Given the "Modern" condition of our society thats infested with corruption, I better choose to be pre-modern and refer to pre-modern text to find my answer...Gita says,"Yada Yada Hi Dharmasya Glanirbhawati Bharat, Abhyutthanam Adharmasya Tadatmanam Srijamyaham"
That whenever Dharma is humiliated, Adharma raises its head, I will bring myself back to save it." Here the 'I' is the 'Messiah' who takes form to combat and defeat Adharma.
Right now, Anna Hazare is the Messiah leading the fight against Adharma of Corruption. He is ably supported by the Pandavas and his army is the foot soldiers you see not only at Ramlila Maidan, but also everywhere around you, in every trade union, in every middle class household - because it is the poor and the middle class who have been worst affected. Do not mistake them for cheerleaders or fools. They know what they are doing. The Mahabharata is on..
Finally, the 'herd' mentality succeeded to pass a resolution in the parliament of India! Some people are taking our constitution as a sacred cow, even though people witnessed cash for vote in the parliament. Just check the records of some of our great MP's to find how many of them were charge sheeted for molestation to looting. This is not to paint all of them in the same colour, of-course there are great people. The importance of the success of Anna is that the political class learned a lesson from the less privileged 'cattle class'! Yes there are 'intellectual herd' and 'un-intellectual herd'.
The methods adopted by Anna Hazare and his choosen people has dangerous portent to the democratic values and constitutional principles of our Country, of which all of us proud. His team declares that they do not believe in elections, they do not want standing committee to discuss their bill, people do not know how to elect and Anna Hazare himself declared that there is no freedome only whites have gone and blacks have come. If we loose faith in our institutions, we are doomed. Anna should motivate people to elect good leaders or join politics with his people, contest election and then remedy the ills. He can also ask political parties to include his ideas in their manifestos in exchange of his support. However imerpfect our democracy or parliament, I will not give them up. I also feel that the Jan Lok bill will not crub corruption. Did TADA, MISA and such law stop terrorist attack, did death sentence in law reduce murders ? We need system change in all dealings with Government.
India is a pluralistic country with its primordial loyalties to caste, religion, region, faction, and virtual (unwritten) group alignments of few castes working in unison to promote their interests. General elections reflect these loyalties, fears and apprehensions of people. The elections are not issue based and are not a referendum on any particular issue. Majority people suffer because of corruption. But vested interests like politicians, power brokers and government employees benefit because of corruption. When a government or a leader wants to do away with corruption, the employees will revolt and manipulate ballots in the next election.When we move to a system where elections are administered by plurally inclusive independent machinery that does not directly benefit from corruption, then only we can get rid of employees manipulating election results. In order to get a clear opinion of public on any issue, referendums or votes on propositions need to take place - that too in a cordial atmosphere that provides room for all the opinions. Hate campaigns of any sort must be removed from public debate. Media needs to be controlled to this effect. People engaging in hate campaigns must be dealt with by laws similar to sc/st atrocities act.Then only we can get rid of extremism. Taking the name of people for narrow political ends of few must not be allowed. Let them quantify their supporters instead of using terms like 'people' - what people, who and how many?
An all powerful watchdog without a master.That is what current Janlokpal draft envisages.What do we do when this watchdog goes mad?
Rationality allows me to subscribe Patnaik's voice. But emotions and sensitivity persuade me to look for alternatives. Anna's way may not be justifiable and the end many of us looking for. Messianism with its paternalistic measures should not be the way that a functioning democracy moves. But in order to function the democracy for the people, we need revolutionary steps in the history of development, though such revolutions may not cope up with the democratic style. In any case, we need a funcitonal democracy.
I am somewhat disappointed reading Patnayak's piece on Anna Hazare & his party ideologue Yechuri that Bills are not made on Maidans. Anna Hazare is no Messiah he emerged from the mass movement involving issues like RTI and corruption in which protest plays an important role of anti thesis. In fact, his argument in defence of a bourgeois democracy is appalling and he like Somnath Chatterjee emerged an Avant Garde champion of bourgeois democracy (once his party pleged to destroy) than any bourgeoisie would do.
Further, the executive is an elected agent of the people of India (like managers in a corporation). If the executive failed to act in the best interest of the people, any citizen or the court on its own volition could seize the situation to restore the civil liberties and the Rule of law. The moment of truth is, if both the BJP and the Left were doing their jobs Anna Hazare did not have to come forward to voice the opinion against the Govt. As the movement appeared to succeed now left parties half heartedly protested for a strong LokPal. The point is then why Left could not pressurize UPA Govt when it Honeymoon with UPA for 4 years. No wonder Mr Manmohan Singh moan about missing counsel of the left which he is getting now from the left ideologues.
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