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Updated: August 6, 2013 14:28 IST
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When will the government wake up, asks Opposition

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Soldiers patrol India-Pakistan border. Pakistani troops attacked an Indian post along the Line of Control in the Poonch sector in Jammu and Kashmir late Monday night, killing five Indian soldiers. File photo
The Hindu Soldiers patrol India-Pakistan border. Pakistani troops attacked an Indian post along the Line of Control in the Poonch sector in Jammu and Kashmir late Monday night, killing five Indian soldiers. File photo

Uproar over the killing of five Indian soldiers on the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir by Pakistani troops on Tuesday led to adjournment of Parliament till noon. Pakistani troops intruded into Indian territory and attacked Sarla post along the Line of Control (LoC) in Poonch sector in Jammu and Kashmir late on Monday night.

As soon as Lok Sabha assembled for the day, Samajwadi Party members rushed to the Well raising the issue of attack on an Indian post by Pakistani soldiers.

Simultaneously, some Congress members, who support a ’united’ Andhra Pradesh, raised slogans seeking justice. BJP members, who did not leave their seats, also shouted slogans protesting the killing of Indian soldiers. SP supremo Mulayam Singh Yadav and party MP Shailendra Kumar had moved an adjournment motion on the issue.

Amid pandemonium, the House could not take up Question Hour and the proceedings were adjourned till noon.

Similar scenes were witnessed in the Rajya Sabha where opposition members, including those from BJP, SP and BSP demanded a reply from the Prime Minister saying the killing of Indian soldiers was a “very serious” issue.

The Telangana issue also figured in both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha for the second day

The uproar over the attack led to an ugly spat between Naresh Agarwal (SP) and Congress member Mani Shakar Aiyar forcing Chairman Hamid Ansari to adjourn the House till noon.

Soon after Chairman Hamid Ansari read out a message congratulating junior Indian women’s hockey team for winning brozen medal in Germany, the entire opposition was up on its feet protesting the killing of Indian soldiers.

Raising the issue, Agarwal (SP) said while Indian soldiers were being killed on Pakistan border, China was not allowing India to patrol its border.Ravi Shankar Prasad (BJP) asked how many soldiers would be sacrificed before the government woke up.

“Government of India should be serious about security,” he said, adding his party wanted Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to come and make a statement.

Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Rajeev Shukla said the matter was very sensitive and government took it very seriously. “We will ask Defence Minister to come and make a statement today,” he said.

“We are also concerned (about the incident),” Mr. Shukla said, adding, “This is a matter concerning defence ministry (and so) a statement will come from the Defence Minister.”

Leader of the Opposition Arun Jaitley said the issue had defence, security and foreign policy implications and so the minister making a statement should be prepared to take question on all the three aspects, especially foreign policy implications.

“Therefore, members feel Prime Minister should make a statement. That will be more appropriate,” he said.

Sitaram Yechuri (CPI-M) said the Minister making the statement should also be able to take questions on the issue.

When Dr. Ansari wanted Question Hour to be taken up, Mr. Agarwal said the Question Hour was not important as this issue was more important.

Mr. Shukla then said, “We have expressed concern (over the incident). This is a serious issue, a very sensitive issue.”

When Dr. Ansari asked if it was the wish of the House to dispense with the Question Hour, the treasury benches shouted “no” in chorus.

Former Petroleum Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar (Cong) said there were equally serious issues concerning rise in natural gas prices listed for the Question Hour and asked SP members if they were not concerned about increase in gas prices.

To this, Mr. Agarwal made an insinuation against Mr. Aiyar which Dr. Ansari immediately expunged.

“How dare you call me that,” Mr. Aiyar said, as he charged towards Mr. Agarwal. Mr. Aiyar was, however, stopped by other members. Former Law Minister Ashwani Kumar too said Mr. Agarwal should not have made such objectionable remarks.

Sensing the mood of the members, Dr. Ansari adjourned the House till noon. After the House was adjourned, some MPs including D Raja (CPI) appeared to be telling Mr. Agarwal that his remarks against Mr. Aiyar were not Parliamentary.

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Whatever happened in border with neighbour country pak n China its shameful. Is there any lack of coordination of gov n army..??? Or international pressure???? Or vote banking???


Just estimate how much does it costs to arrange a session in parliament. Inviting every Members of Parliament across the country. Example: MP from coming from his states to capital city for session. He/she may come via air,vehicle or train.
Nobody is raising voice for misuse of parliament. Why????

from:  Imran
Posted on: Aug 7, 2013 at 12:35 IST

It is really shameful that on external affairs and incidents, politics reigns. The remark that the world will be laughing at us is true because we have a divided House and Parliament with his own party trying to use the incident to get brownie points for elections. Did we not have an attack on our Parliament when the NDA was in power? Our reaction was calling up our army to the border and just stand there! We had the Kargil war just when Vajpayeeji was meeting Nawaz Sharif? Who runs Pakistan? The onlt recourse is as some mature di9p0lomats have suggested, any further talks should be based on a precondition that such incidents should be stopped and Pakistan should take their full responsibility even for non State offenders across the border. But no knee jerk response will prove in the interests of both countries. Let the Parliament discuss the issue and pass a resolution if required on future action. We need a bipartisan strong assertion so that "the world doesnt laugh at us!+

from:  S.N.Iyer
Posted on: Aug 7, 2013 at 09:52 IST

The past few months have shown that we lack spine. Chinese intrusions are now a norm. It is ridiculous that we sit back and let the crisis pass. In a way , our administrators are responsible for the death of these 5 soldiers. We need to send a strong message to mischievous neighbors. Hoping for the PM to make a statement is futile. Nothing seems to move him now.

from:  Amrut
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 16:40 IST

If the problem of China and Pakistan continue to happen THEN IS NOT FAR WHWN COUNTRIES WILL START USING "NUCLEAR WEAPON"

from:  kumar
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 16:38 IST

Apart from issuing mild protests in response to repeated attacks from Pakistan in Kashmir and elsewhere as well as equally repeated and brazen border incursions by China what can this weak political leadership do?

from:  Sekher
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:58 IST

This is a insignificant issue as killing each other on India pak border is a norm and i salute the jawans who attained veergati but the govt should deploy more armed forces in bodoland and gurkha land to attain political objectives for stable and sustainable governance.

DEV

from:  himanshu
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:55 IST

Some one learn by listening to others while someone learn by its own
experience but this Government neither listens to anyone nor they learn
by their own experience. This a very weak Government and sooner they go
is better for the country.

from:  Subrata Pramanick
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:45 IST

Meanwhile, self-proclaimed liberals of Congress party will give a talk
about soft-power as our Army dead bodies pile up. Enough is enough.

from:  Abhishek D
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:43 IST

What is preventing the Govt from taking a tough stance on national security? Pakistan has mounted numerous overt and covert operations against India - in Kashmir, Mumbai, and elsewhere. Hundreds of innocent people as well as security personnel have been killed in such attacks . The Govt. makes some noises immediately after such attacks in response to public protests. After some time when the protests have died down, everything is forgotten. Same is the case with the Govt.'s response to repeated incursions from China. Even some in the media, including your paper, urge restraint no matter what the provocation from the country's enemies. Yes, restraint is necessary but cowardice is not the answer to repeated provocations from determined enemies.

from:  krishna
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:36 IST

So, let us review the routine. Every time time the talks are
proposed, Pakistan army in collusion with terror outfits always
trigger an event that results in the wanton killing of Indian
soldiers. The peaceniks from Pakistan and in India promptly steps in
and inform us that it was a deliberate attempt to derail the process
of rapprochement and the talks, nevertheless, must proceed with. So
the narrative goes. Now, how many times have we heard this? I lost
the count. The fact is Pakistan and its rogue army does not want it
and I fail to understand as to why the Indian government is bending
backwards to hold these useless talks that goes no where. That, the
government is planning to hold these talks by overlooking the 26/11
event is even more outrageous. Pakistan is getting off lightly
despite its full complicity in that horrific terror that was let loose
in Mumbai. That just shows that the crime pays both in politics and
and in cricket! What a charade!

from:  Raman
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:18 IST



Congress strategy for most of 65 years is well pointed in a reasoning below:

Currently, on an average (over states) there are 15% Muslims, 8% Christians, 7%
Others and 70% Hindus. That is out of 100 people, there are 70 Hindus, 8 Christians, 15 Muslims and 7 Others.
Voter registration is as follows: 90% of Muslims, 90% Christians and 60% Hindus and 90% Others. This means, that is out of 100 people, 42 Hindus, 14 Muslims, 7 Christians and 6 'Others' will Register for vote.

Now, the interesting point, Out of the registered voters having voter ID or at least having interest in selecting their representative....Have a look at the number of turnouts 50% Hindus will vote, 90% Muslims will vote, 90% Christians will vote and 90% others will vote. That is ultimately 21 Hindus will vote, 13 Muslims will vote, 6
Christians and 5 'Others' will vote during election and these people are responsible for selecting the representative and deciding the future of our Great India....

from:  Himanshu
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:07 IST

This current government will never 'wake up' to Pak or Chinese aggression. It likes the status quo of inaction and playing vote-bank politics to stay in power. About time the Indian populace woke up and voted this disgraced govt out of power. India needs a strong and vibrant leadership with a strong foreign and internal policy that will scare Pakistan and China into being peaceful with India.

from:  Vipul
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 15:02 IST

There is sure a signal from Indian top rulers that here will not be any
serious threat from Indian which prompts Pakistan to repeat such ghostly
acts

from:  Uppukuzhi
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 14:23 IST

Not that I support adjournment of Parliament sessions without making decisions. But I think the right questions are being asked. National security is most important to any country. In past 4-5 months thrice have our neigbours stepped into our territory. We need to take some stong message to their governments.

from:  Rajat Sharma
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 14:11 IST

for each minute of session we public pays 1.5 lakhs but still the session is more adjourned than concluded.My country is crying please do something.

from:  Ayush
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 14:09 IST

We need to make Pakistan accountable. Our foreign policy, weighed down by internal vote-bank politics, is in a state of shambles. A strong persona like Modi who inspires confidence is now really required at the helm of affairs.

from:  hari radhakrishnan kurup
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 13:44 IST

Such incidents show that there are elements in both of our countries ,who are more interested to keep the atmosphere hot to serve their narrow financial and political interests.It is not understood what our soldiers were doing if no Pak soldier is injured!If it has happened like this, I understand there must be an open review of the training methodologies and equipment procurements of our defence forces.Otherwise our scarce resource will go in flames only to be pocketed by people like Abhishek Verma!

from:  atis
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 13:44 IST

Is creating pandemonium the only why to express dissent or outrage!?
The LOC killings would make any Indian livid, but not only does the
reaction of our politicians to the same dishonour our armed forces, it
exposes the sham that our democracy has become. Truly, a sad state of
affairs.

from:  R Sharma
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 13:27 IST

Junk guys.. just not running Parliament.. doing dramas.. wasting money.

from:  Rajesh
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 13:11 IST

Our ruling govt. politicians skin is very thick

from:  Selva
Posted on: Aug 6, 2013 at 13:02 IST
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